Moderated Bigfoot- Anybody Seen one?

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GT/CS said:
We actually have it on good authority that bigfoot likes beans.

I miss Creek, maybe he'll show up at the new BFF.
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The day that opens up he'll drop Melissa's graveyard like a fat lady drops carrot stick and be there with bells on. The jnugle will bungle again.
 
I found one!

It was right there in the city of Uncertain, TX. It even had it's own lodge! I even stalked him!!!
 

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Vortigern99 said:
WGBH, in the process of ignoring "snide comments", you've also ignored, or neglected to consider, the landslide of rational arguments against bigfoot's existence -- namely lack of ecological impact or type specimen. You've also failed to acknowledge the extraordinary similarities between your own sighting and the phenomenon of hypnagogic hallucination.
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Why would he accept those? It's either bigfoot, bigfoot, or bigfoot, baby! Or maybe, just maybe, it was bigfoot. I think some of you are trying too hard. Frankly, I'd be surprised if there was even a tree stand, but that's me.

By the way, has he mentioned the rash of sightings that were reported a year before his alleged sighting in an area that is right next door to where his sighting happened? Kind of makes you wonder if "The Six Million Dollar Man" really is the first place he heard of bigfoot.

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I provided 3 sources in case anyone wants to dismiss source 1 for being "World News Daily". As you can see from the other 2, this was an AP story at the time.

Maybe his bigfoot has migrated to western NC.



Wonder why that guy and his dog weren't hit by the bigfoot infrasound wave?
 
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kitakaze said:
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The wolverine thing has been covered so many times and in so much depth, it's ridiculous that anyone might think there are Bigfoots escaping detection from the array that caught the single wolverine in the wild of NorCal. Big weasel - check. Bigfoot - :nope:

Hey, wouldn't it be great if even in one place in North America we could get unambiguous video clear as day, scat, hair, and DNA telling us just where it came from as we did for that wolverine in Cali that came all the way from the Rockies?

More details here...

http://www.bigfootforums.com/index.php?s=&showtopic=29355&view=findpost&p=592237

http://www.bigfootforums.com/index.php?s=&showtopic=29480&view=findpost&p=595568
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At this point I think its interesting to show again the collage below, a colection of the imagery presented as evidence for bigfoot:
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Its not updated (but theres actually no new "image evidence" really worthy of being added).

Please observe the images' quality (actually the lack of) and remember that many of these images once had and some still have their fierce defenders. Note now that all the images above fall in one or more of the classes below:

1. Shown to be a hoax.
2. Suspected of being a hoax.
3. Shown to be a misdidentification.
4. Suspected of being a misidentification.
5. Too blurry to be of any use.

Now compare with the wolverine image; compare image quality and provenance. The photographic documentation produced and presented by bigfootery is laughable and/or disgusting.
 
I'm going to defend my ol' pal Huntster for a bit, even if it makes you think I've become temporarily unhinged.

I think his deal with the wolverine is a bit more nuanced than we've represented here. Yes, he deserves to be roundly skewered for comparing the quality of evidence for the CA wolverine with that produced for bigfoot. Fire away at him for that. But I think the point he was actually trying to get across is that those moron scientists said there were no more wolverines in CA so when they found evidence of one they personally wet themselves with excitement. Huntster wasn't so much being a "skeptic" about the wolverine evidence (though that's what he wrote and, again, he should be lambasted for it), he was really trying to express his skepticism for the premise that there had been no wolverines in CA for decades.

In his twisted, anti-science ravings, Hunster is convinced that wolverines have been in CA all along, i.e., the know-it-all scientists were wrong about the extirpation. So, for all the photographers, hunters, trappers, remote cameras, bait stations, etc. out there that could have revealed the presence of at least one wolverine during the past, say, 50 years, we've only managed to bring in some good evidence for one. Generations of wolverines have lived and died in California completely undetected by "science." Therefore, the wolverine photographed in CA is not a piece of damning evidence for bigfootery, it actually provides support for one of its central tenets, i.e., that an intelligent, elusive hominid could easily avoid detection by science.

What's that? The DNA analysis confirmed the photographed animal to have been from Idaho? Oh well. Better not pay attention to that little detail . . .

Carry on.
 
The Shrike said:
Therefore, the wolverine photographed in CA is not a piece of damning evidence for bigfootery, it actually provides support for one of its central tenets, i.e., that an intelligent, elusive hominid could easily avoid detection by science.
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No. It's super duper damning. It shows that game cameras will capture even extremely rare animals. Bigfoot believers lose again.
 
This:

"Katie M. Moriarty, William J. Zielinski, Armand G. Gonzales, Todd E. Dawson, Kristie M. Boatner, Craig A. Wilson, Fredrick V. Schlexer, Kristine L. Pilgrim, Jeffrey P. Copeland, and Michael K. Schwartz. 2009. Wolverine Confirmation in California after Nearly a Century: Native or Long-Distance Immigrant? Northwest Science 83: 154–162.

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We photo-verified the presence of a wolverine (Gulo gulo) in California for the first time in 86 years during February 2008. Herein we document the process of determining the origin of this wolverine using genetic, stable carbon (δ13C) and stable nitrogen (δ15N) isotope information. The wolverine's origin was significant because it is a state-threatened species and California represents a historically unique genotype of wolverines in North America. We obtained both photographs and noninvasively-collected genetic evidence (scat and hair). DNA analysis revealed the animal was a male and not a remnant of a historical California population. Comparison with available data revealed the individual was most closely related to populations from the western edge of the Rocky Mountains. This represents the first evidence of connectivity between wolverine populations of the Rocky and Sierra Nevada Mountain Ranges."
 
The Shrike, the problem is that his idea has at least one fatal flaw- compare the size and habits of a wolverine with the alleged size and habits of a bigfoot. With this in mind, he should ask himself why there are no bigfoot game cam shots of similar quality.

OK, when Huntster reads this (I suppose he will, sooner or later) he will probably once again not have very good thoughts about me.

Its a common problem among some footers - they do not accept the possibility that what they perceive as a bright flawless argument/evidence actually has fatal flaws at the very base and respond with anger to criticism. Few try to address the methodology issues pointed.

ETA- Nevermind, I see you addressed the point at post 2952 with simplicity.
 
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We all know that bigfoot can detect electronic devices, and thus avoid the game cams. And in the event one is somehow fooled, and gets his picture taken, they are naturally blurry.

The K-100 was mechanical, and so Patty couldn't detect it.
 
xblade said:

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I provided 3 sources in case anyone wants to dismiss source 1 for being "World News Daily". As you can see from the other 2, this was an AP story at the time.
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Oh my goodness, you've stumbled across a source of Bigfoot information that is far more astonishing and amazing than that which can be gleaned from the pages of "World News Daily". This incredible goldmine of Footer information is world renowned for being "The World's Only Reliable News" on such subjects as Bigfoot, the Chupacabra, and Bat Boy! Just check out this remarkable piece of journalism from the Weekly World News:

Another Scoop from the Weekly World News!!!

Where else are you going to find such insightful journalism? Nowhere, I tells ya.
 
The Shrike said:
Therefore, the wolverine photographed in CA is not a piece of damning evidence for bigfootery, it actually provides support for one of its central tenets, i.e., that an intelligent, elusive hominid could easily avoid detection by science.
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Last I checked, science has found plenty of wolverines. Bigfoot? Not so much. You might have an argument if the wolverine was being seen everywhere, but found nowhere...well, until now.
 
Apology said:
Oh my goodness, you've stumbled across a source of Bigfoot information that is far more astonishing and amazing than that which can be gleaned from the pages of "World News Daily". This incredible goldmine of Footer information is world renowned for being "The World's Only Reliable News" on such subjects as Bigfoot, the Chupacabra, and Bat Boy! Just check out this remarkable piece of journalism from the Weekly World News:

Another Scoop from the Weekly World News!!!

Where else are you going to find such insightful journalism? Nowhere, I tells ya.
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Apparently reading isn't your strong suit. How about a reference to the event from a "real" newspaper and a "real" journalist:

"Bigfoot Web sites have ample reports from Virginia, with encounters from the Blue Ridge to the Dismal Swamp.

The experiences range in intensity – from no more than other worldly howls in the night heard at Surry’s Chippokes Plantation State Park in 1998 to a 1981 report of a Bigfoot sprinting through the middle of a campground in Chesapeake’s Northwest River Park."
 
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Drewbot said:
Bigfoot forums has already attracted some Paranormal Bigfooters.

http://www.ufodigest.com/article/national-hero-and-sixth-man-walk-moon-comes-clean
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Frank Abreu at UFODigest said:
[1]Physics in the public sector is just starting to make sense of some of these new discoveries and old discoveries but new disclosures on them. [2]We are on the verge of discovering a live “Sasquatch” on B.C. Island. [3]I just feel it coming fast and furious. [4]a.They have found evidence of a huge population of the humanoid like ape creatures there, and b. being on an island makes the scientists work a lot easier. [5]Not to forget to mention all of the new gadgetry that exist now for scientists, that were locked behind Military and Government control for years are now becoming available to the private sector for a price.
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[1]Bare assertion. Perhaps if I e-mail him, Mr. Abreu will provide a link to support his contention. [2]Non sequitur, bare assertion. How can Mr. Abreu possibly know this? [3]Appeal to emotion; pretense of prognostication. [4]a. Absurd non-evidential conjecture. b. Huh? I mean, non sequitur. [5] Bare assertion -- what specific "gadgetry" is being referenced here?; what specifically has been "locked behind [US] control", about which Mr. Abreu claims to have special knowledge?

If this is the state of bigfootery, I can see my services are no longer needed hereabouts. I believe I'll go hang out in "History and the Arts". ;)
 
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