Moderated Bigfoot- Anybody Seen one?

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Disgusted said:
Skepticism works both ways, not just at the various whims of various skeptics. If wolverines exist in California, somebody is going to have to prove it.
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Do you think somebody has pulled a hoax in California? A politician or a scientist or teenagers, or who? Is there a list of apparent lies such as we have observed with Patterson & Gimlin and the Michigan Recording Project, etc?
 
I thought that the boundaries of the Great Basin are defined by the endorheic watershed boundaries. Isn't its endorheic nature what makes it the great basin?

Disgusted said:
Yes, that is a good map of the Great Basin, however, the border drawn on the map only represents the endorheic watershed boundary. The map clearly shows that the arid area extends westward much farther. It is a tall order to claim that wolverines crossed that area. If there are wolverines in the Sierras, they have been there all along, even though science has officially declared them extinct nearly a century ago.
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Disgusted said:
Not really. Most, especially the Patterson film which is in motion, are one of just two possibilities. They are either a man in a suit, or they are an animal thus far undocumented by science. There is no other possible explanation for the Patterson film subject, unless you wish to posit that it is extraterrestrial or a robot.
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Fail. It could actually be a woman in a suit.
 
WGBH

I'm trying to read through the whole thread but its taking alot of time so forgive me if you have explained any of this before

Are you still willing to answer questions about your sighting?

Are you still having trouble sleeping?

Have you looked into counseling yet or are you still undecided about it?

Forgive me for being nosey but i'm extremely inerested in what you saw and the effect it has had on you.

I have also had trouble sleeping and had bad dreams and depression since my teens and found counseling very effective, although my trouble didnt start with a Bigfoot sighting, my trouble is due to going 20 years with an undiagnosed personality disorder.
I have now had it diagnosed and i have been diagnosed with mild bipolar too and i'm having treatment, have you thought of the possibility that your sleep issues have nothing to do with your Bigfoot sighting and may in fact be due to a mental illness?
I mean no disrepect of course, depression is very common with teens and some of your issues could be symtoms of depression. Also depression doesn't need an event to trigger it, could it be a coincidence or have even started before your sighting but went unnoticed?

Thanks
 
Hello Ambermae,

I have no problems at all answering your questions. Yes, I still have sleep problems after 28 years. Yes, I have sought professional help regarding my problems with no success. No, before my encounter I had no issues with sleep. I am sorry to hear about your problems and I hope you see improvement.
 
I was very obvious who it was GT/CS if you have read Hunster's posts.
 
did the tribes see a bigfoot?

Bigfoot ....anybody seen one? is the title of the thread...so I don't think it is completely off topic to rebut some of the "all the Native American tribes knew about bigfoot" meme. Here is the Inuit story about their supposed bigfoot, the Tornit (emphasis added):
" In olden times the Inuit were not the only inhabitants of the country in which they live at the present time. Another tribe similar to them shared their hunting ground. But they were on good terms, both tribes living in harmony in the villages. The Tornit were much taller than the Inuit and had very long legs and arms. Almost all of them were blear eyed. They were extremely: strong and could lift large boulders, which were by far too heavy for the Tunit. But even the Inuit of that time were much stronger than those of today, and some large stones are shown on the palm of Miliaqdjuin, in Cumberland Sound, with which the ancient Inuit used to play, throwing them great distances. Even the strongest men of the present generations are scarcely able to lift them, much less to swing them or throw them any distance.

The Tornit lived on walrus, seals, and deer, just as the Eskimo do nowadays, but their methods of hunting were different. The principal part of their winter dress was a long and wide coat of deerskins, similar to the jumper of the Eskimo, but reaching down to the knees and trimmed with leather straps. When sealing in winter they wore this garment, the lower edge of which was fastened on the snow by means of pegs. Under the jacket they carried a small lamp, called tumiujang (literally, resembling a footprint) or quming over which they melted snow in a small pot. Some Eskimo say that they opened the seals as soon as they were caught and cooked some meat over these lamps. When the seal blew in the hole they whispered, "Kapatipara" (I shall stab it) and, when they had hit it, "Igdluiliq." Frequently they forgot about the lamp and in throwing the harpoon upset it and burned their skin.

All their weapons were made of stone. For the blades of their knives they used green slate (uluqsaq, literally material for women's knives), which was fastened by ivory pins to a bone or ivory handle.

The points of their harpoons were made of bone, ivory, or slate; those of their lances, of flint or quartz, which was also used for drill heads; and they made neither kayaks nor bows.
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etc etc. The Tornit were clearly just a neighboring tribe.
 
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parnassus said:
Bigfoot ....anybody seen one? is the title of the thread...so I don't think it is completely off topic to rebut some of the "all the Native American tribes knew about bigfoot" meme.
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Your post may have been even more relevant in our Native American Bigfoot Myth thread.

You can see (pretty much) all the different JREF Bigfoot topic/threads here at the "Bigfoot" tag list.
 
There's obviously a lot of cross-pollenation among the various BF threads. Where does the "PGF" thread end and the "PGF: Bob H." thread begin? Why can't we talk about reports of supposed Native American sightings in the "Seen One?" thread? It's all a bit fuzzy and overlappy.

On that note, when a proponent raises the "Native Americans have stories about bigfoot!" argument, my response is invariably something like: "Various tribes also have stories about Thunderbirds, Water-Lions and Snake-Women, among other fantastical and clearly mythical animals. Are we to accept those as real, also?"
 
RayG said:
Yeah, but they counter that by pointing out that birds, lions, and snakes actually exist. It's all a neat little package.

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Sure, but (and I'm sure you can see this coming), apes and humans exist, too. Our existence provides no certainty that some ape/human amalgamation, namely bigfoot, exists.

Similarly, the clear and evidential existence of snakes and people, thunder and birds, fish and lions, provides no certainty that amalgamations of those entities exist.

Assuming I'm not addressing a straw man created by RayG, that logic is deeply flawed.
 
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