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Biden for President?
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Sideroxylon
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Unburdened by optimism, I am a detached observer.
Puppycow
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I get it. It sounds like conspiracy-mongering. But can you think of another reason why someone who calls themselves an American Liberal would write such dross as "President Putin’s obvious reverence for women, children and animals, and his ability with sports is intoxicating to American women." or "His sensuous image projects his love for life, the embodiment of grace while facing adversity."?
Puppycow
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Yes, Comrade. I'm sure it's just bad luck that journalists who criticize Putin and political opponents keep ending up dead. Clearly he has an "intoxicating effect".
Childlike Empress
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What you are "sure" about is complete nonsense. I'm not a communist, Putin is not a dictator and you are in complete misunderstanding of the world situation.
Sideroxylon
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Arguments from personal incredulity, as we have above, form a basis for a lot of CTs.
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Because he's a public figure in his 70s and has never shown any evidence of being a womanizer, a groper, anything.
Everyone is not guilty because someone accuses them.
Sideroxylon
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Just your political foes.
Skeptic Ginger
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Color me surprised... not.
Interesting though that she said this first:
Now that, I can believe.
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But in that case other people came forward and his obnoxious behavior whipping his dick out at a party were witnessed by others. The FBI for whatever corrupt reason purposefully did not fully investigate Kavanaugh's sexual abuse and drinking history.
Segnosaur
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Personally, while I am skeptical of Reade's claims (for reasons laid out in other posts), I'm not sure I agree that her pro-Russia postings are due to Russians "getting to her".
However, it is certainly a curious side-issue to her story. Her posts about Russia seemed to be quite over the top, saying she 'loved Russia' and Putin was a 'caring compassionate leader'. She claims she changed her mind on Putin after learning more about him, yet Putin's abuses of civil rights had been known for a long time.
She claimed she made her comments about Putin because she was "influenced" by an Oliver Stone documentary and a friend.... If that's the case, then perhaps this is less a case of her being some sort of "Russian asset under Kremlin control to mess with the American political system" and more a case of "Overly gullible person who seems willing to be influenced by the last person she talked to". That doesn't necessarily mean she is lying about Biden, but if someone is that easily manipulated, I'd have some concerns about their reliability as a witness.
https://www.salon.com/2020/03/31/a-...-hell-breaks-loose-online-heres-what-we-know/
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I think 'Russia' is a Red Herring in this case.
The Allegation is as credible as many similar ones that have been reported on. The problem isn't credibility, it is a fatigue of reporting on sexual assault after the Weinstein trial, especially given the lack of juicy evidence.
She might have another shot to bring this to nationwide attention when November draws near.
The Allegation is as credible as many similar ones that have been reported on. The problem isn't credibility, it is a fatigue of reporting on sexual assault after the Weinstein trial, especially given the lack of juicy evidence.
She might have another shot to bring this to nationwide attention when November draws near.
Puppycow
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A Russian friend perhaps?
Has she disowned what she wrote at the time? About how "intoxicating" he is for American women?
Which Oliver Stone documentary would this be? I haven't watched much of his stuff recently. Is he a big fan of Putin? Also, I thought it was supposed to be Noam Chomsky, but I'm not sure even Chomsky has such lavish words of praise for Putin.
theprestige
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Dang. I was hoping you'd have some idea of how they got to her.
Do you think maybe she was following the wrong Twitter feed, and something threw a switch in her head?
Or maybe they went old school, and used a human asset. New boyfriend, the sex is good... Afterwards the pillow talk turned to how dysfunctional the American system of government has become. "You know," the boyfriend says casually, "say what you will about Russia, but at least Putin-"
ETA: I see you are going with the Russian (boy)friend hypothesis.
Anyway, once they set the hook, how do you figure they triggered the attack? Did her Russian friend meet her for coffee, and while they're sipping their lattes he says, "okay, now I need you to invite extreme scrutiny of your personal life and sexual history, hold yourself up for public ridicule and shame, probably ruin your career, and possibly commit crimes. If you're lucky, this will discredit Joe Biden and reinstall President Trump. Do it for Vladimir Putin."
You think maybe that's how it went down?
Do you think they targeted her on purpose, because of her position and influence? Or was she just what was available at the time?
I can see running ads in the hopes of throwing swing states during an election. I can see hacking servers and publishing embarrassing documents. These are things that can be run by loyal Russians, without human assets in the US. They're technical and mercenary things.
Developing a mole in the Biden campaign, and then destroying her usefulness and all your efforts by ruining her political career and network, before her faction even gets into power, I can't really see. It just seems impractical and unproductive. And it multiplies entities.
theprestige
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If someone is that easily manipulated, I'd have some concern about the people that hired her. Do you think her boss in Biden's senate office kept her around because she was easy to control? Or because they didn't realize that her melodramatic and gullible nature might make her a huge liability for the Senator?
Hrm.
Ugly thought: You think maybe they kept her around because she could be easily confused into going along with improper workplace relationships? I joked (darkly) about this earlier, but maybe we should give it some serious attention:
I mean, this is someone who apparently fell in love with Vladimir Putin over an Oliver Stone movie. Set aside her rape allegations for a moment. WTF is going on with Joe Biden's hiring practices? Do they not screen candidates for sensitive positions? Or is everyone in Washington like this, and the long-time hacks just don't notice or care anymore?
theprestige
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I dunno. I've long thought that mere competence at that level is actually a pretty high bar.
And I dunno that Putin's competence is "mere". Look at his career path:
- KGB officer in East Germany
- Economic development director for St. Petersburg after the collapse
- Steady rise to power in the emerging kleptocratic oligarchy
- Established base of popular support in the midst of national dysfunction
A career like that, in an environment like that, I'm pretty sure the "merely competent" guy is buried in a shallow grave in the Siberian permafrost, with two self-inflicted gunshot wounds in the back of his head.
wareyin
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Apparently you might be unaware, but Reade worked for Biden for a couple of months 27 or so years ago, before quitting to be with her boyfriend, quitting because she loves Russia, or was fired for refusing Biden's advances, depending on which version of her story is being told at the time.
How much "don't care anymore" and "kept around" actually fits with "worked for less than a year with them, 27 years ago"?
theprestige
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Good point. I wasn't aware of those details. I'll revise my estimates accordingly.
Turkey?
But if you're referring to Australia you are correct; might as well call it New China.
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Segnosaur
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According to the Salon article I posted, I think that yes it was a russian friend.
She has certainly made efforts to scrub her Putin-love.
I think the documentary is a 4-hour series he did called The Putin Interviews.
From: https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-...ir-putin-russian-people-never-been-better-off
Stone’s epic four-part film The Putin Interviews was described by the Daily Beast as a “wildly irresponsible love letter” to Russia’s president. It “says as much about Oliver Stone as it does Vladimir Putin”, said CNN. “Flattery, but little scepticism,” said the New York Times.
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