Biden for President?

[Stacyhs]

My mistake. I thought you were presenting it as evidence that he was of sound mind.


I do not. Which is why I don't take campaign websites by themselves as good evidence of the candidate's actual capacity or objectives.

I assume by 'capacity' you mean 'mental capacity' as that's what we've been talking about. If so, I don't think anyone looks to a campaign website as evidence of a candidate's mental capacity. But as evidence of their objectives? Of course they do. That's why they list them there and not a list of their favorite restaurants.

Also, your appeal to Biden's approval of the site begs the question that Biden is competent enough for his approval to mean anything. I thought this was exactly the question you were trying to answer.

Wow. How you got that from what I wrote escapes me. Exactly what question was I "trying to answer"?

Here's your post in its entirety:

Originally Posted by Stacyhs V
I suggest you go to his website: https://joebiden.com/joes-vision/

I think trying to make him out as a dementia riddled idiot with no experience in government or any ideas of his own is more than a little dishonest.

I think I can be forgiven for inferring that you meant to present his website as evidence that he's not a dementia riddled idiot.

No need for forgiveness for inferring something incorrectly. But what I am flat out saying, and have said many times in this very thread, is that there is no evidence that Biden has dementia or is in any way mentally unfit to be the POTUS despite the claims of several who repeatedly did so.

 

[Stacyhs]

Did you actually read the article, or just the headline and then have a knee jerk?

Do you actually disagree with his position not to make the virus itself political by blaming Trump for it, but rather to point out when Trump is dishonest or incompetent in his handling? Do you really think that there is any point in Biden's campaign coming up with plans to deal with SARS-CoV-2 when if even handled incompetently, it should no longer be a factor in November, let alone January of 2021!

How about doing something other than pointing to a headline and whinging cause your candidate lost again.

THAT! Sour grapes will get them nothing but another 4 years of Trump. This reminds me of a little boy who used to come over to play with my daughter. If he didn't get his way, he'd threaten to go home. Overhearing that once too often, I told him "Fine, go home. There's the door. You're welcome back when you learn you can't always get your way."

 

[Cabbage]

Did you actually read the article, or just the headline and then have a knee jerk?

Do you actually disagree with his position not to make the virus itself political by blaming Trump for it, but rather to point out when Trump is dishonest or incompetent in his handling? Do you really think that there is any point in Biden's campaign coming up with plans to deal with SARS-CoV-2 when if even handled incompetently, it should no longer be a factor in November, let alone January of 2021!

How about doing something other than pointing to a headline and whinging cause your candidate lost again.

I know you weren't asking me, but personally I think it is imperative to hammer the responsibility for the virus on Trump. You know the GOP would do the same if the tables were reversed. We need more ads like this:

https://twitter.com/sahilkapur/status/1242935820757204992?s=21

 

[Stacyhs]

I know you weren't asking me, but personally I think it is imperative to hammer the responsibility for the virus on Trump. You know the GOP would do the same if the tables were reversed. We need more ads like this:

https://twitter.com/sahilkapur/status/1242935820757204992?s=21

That is a great campaign ad. Trump's lawyers can file cease and desist letters all they want, I doubt they'll get it. Using someone's own words against them isn't illegal. Suck it up, lawyers.

 

[PhantomWolf]

I know you weren't asking me, but personally I think it is imperative to hammer the responsibility for the virus on Trump. You know the GOP would do the same if the tables were reversed. We need more ads like this:

https://twitter.com/sahilkapur/status/1242935820757204992?s=21

The thing is that Trump isn't responsible for the virus. He might be responsible for the poor preparation, the closing of the NSC Global Pandemic Office, firing the CDC's Embedded officer in China, and all the gaffs and ridiculous statements he has made about both how to kill Sars-CoV-2 and/or cure Covid-19, but that doesn't make him responsible for the virus itself, anymore than China is responsible for it. Hit him with the things he is responsible for, not those that he isn't.

 

[Cabbage]

The thing is that Trump isn't responsible for the virus. He might be responsible for the poor preparation, the closing of the NSC Global Pandemic Office, firing the CDC's Embedded officer in China, and all the gaffs and ridiculous statements he has made about both how to kill Sars-CoV-2 and/or cure Covid-19, but that doesn't make him responsible for the virus itself, anymore than China is responsible for it. Hit him with the things he is responsible for, not those that he isn't.

I have no problem with that, and I acknowledge that I did speak sloppily in that particular comment. It looks to me like Biden is limiting himself to only addressing misinformation spread by Trump, though I will admit I only skimmed the article. He should go well beyond that. For example, he should hammer Trump hard with the fact that we haven't been prepared to test for the virus as extensively as we should.

This is no time to play nice solely for the purpose of not making the virus political; the GOP is already making the virus political. Using kid gloves with the GOP in return is insufficient.

 

[ProBonoShill]

Biden is being accused of Rape, not sure if this deserves it's own thread but thought it deserved a mention here at least. Bernie and Biden supporters are battling it out on twitter:

https://twitter.com/search?q=#IBelieveTara&src=trend_click&f=live

 

[Elagabalus]

Biden is being accused of Rape, not sure if this deserves it's own thread but thought it deserved a mention here at least. Bernie and Biden supporters are battling it out on twitter:

https://twitter.com/search?q=#IBelieveTara&src=trend_click&f=live

Krystal Ball? I'll wait for the dust to settle ...

 

[ProBonoShill]

Krystal Ball? I'll wait for the dust to settle ...

Probably a good idea, though Bernie people are accusing the party of ignoring #MeToo and not giving the "victim" the support she deserves.

*Grabs popcorn

 

[Puppycow]

Biden is being accused of Rape, not sure if this deserves it's own thread but thought it deserved a mention here at least. Bernie and Biden supporters are battling it out on twitter:

https://twitter.com/search?q=#IBelieveTara&src=trend_click&f=live

Oh, how thoughtful of her to wait until halfway through the nominating process, after half of the states have already voted.

The timing makes me smell a rat.

 

[TurkeysGhost]

Oh, how thoughtful of her to wait until halfway through the nominating process, after half of the states have already voted.

The timing makes me smell a rat.

She first spoke openly about this in April but went quiet after the torrents of harassment and accusations of being a Russian operative that making such a public accusation brings.

Interesting nuance to this story. She reached out to "Times Up", a nonprofit that provides legal aid to women making such accusations of powerful people.

The group declined to assist her saying that aiding her against a politician for election might threaten their nonprofit status. That may be legitimate. Also in the mix, there are conflicts of interest in the leadership of the group, as the PR firm for the nonprofit is also a top adviser to the Biden campaign.

https://theintercept.com/2020/03/24/joe-biden-metoo-times-up/

This accusation has been around for nearly a year.

 

[Bob001]

She first spoke openly about this in April but went quiet after the torrents of harassment and accusations of being a Russian operative that making such a public accusation brings.
....

Well, according to the link she has posted stuff like this:

“What if I told you that everything you learned about Russia was wrong?” she had written in one 2018 post. “President Putin scares the power elite in America because he is a compassionate, caring, visionary leader. … To President Putin, I say keep your eyes to the beautiful future and maybe, just maybe America will come to see Russia as I do, with eyes of love."

It does raise some questions about her objectivity regarding something she claims happened almost 30 years ago.

 

[TragicMonkey]

It does raise some questions about her objectivity regarding something she claims happened almost 30 years ago.

Objectivity? It's pretty good evidence she's outright insane.

 

[Delphic Oracle]

Lets just go back and look at what Republicans said about Kavanaugh.

Her timing seems suspicious (even though the allegation predated the nomination) and she has no credibility.

Let's do better.

 

[theprestige]

Oh, how thoughtful of her to wait until halfway through the nominating process, after half of the states have already voted.

The timing makes me smell a rat.

She should have at least waited until his nomination hearing.

 

[Puppycow]

She first spoke openly about this in April but went quiet after the torrents of harassment and accusations of being a Russian operative that making such a public accusation brings.

Interesting nuance to this story. She reached out to "Times Up", a nonprofit that provides legal aid to women making such accusations of powerful people.

The group declined to assist her saying that aiding her against a politician for election might threaten their nonprofit status. That may be legitimate. Also in the mix, there are conflicts of interest in the leadership of the group, as the PR firm for the nonprofit is also a top adviser to the Biden campaign.

https://theintercept.com/2020/03/24/joe-biden-metoo-times-up/

This accusation has been around for nearly a year.

Did she say he raped her last April? That accusation seems to be a new one.

https://www.theunion.com/news/nevad...d-her-while-working-in-his-u-s-senate-office/

 

[Puppycow]

Lets just go back and look at what Republicans said about Kavanaugh.

Her timing seems suspicious (even though the allegation predated the nomination) and she has no credibility.

Let's do better.

She should have at least waited until his nomination hearing.

I suppose I should address this. I don't think the allegations against Kavanaugh were ever proven beyond a reasonable doubt. This probably isn't the thread to rehash those allegations, but there are reasons to doubt including the unreliability of human memory. I opposed Kavanaugh for other reasons, independent of Ford's accusation.

 

[Stacyhs]

I don't know whether Reade's accusation is true or not but this part does raise a red flag for me:

And he had me against the wall,” Reade continued. “And then his hands were down my skirt and up my skirt. And I was wearing–I wasn’t wearing anything underneath. And then, with his hand, he went from there and entered me–with his hand–and as he was trying to kiss me, and saying things to me.”

She claims she was wearing a skirt with nothing on beneath? No underwear? I find that extremely odd. I've never in my life worn a skirt or dress with no underwear on beneath.

 

[Tsukasa Buddha]

To a large extent, it doesn't matter if the accusation is false. Trump and his supporters can now point to Democrats discrediting women who accuse their candidate of sexual assault as a rebuttal whenever Democrats try to bring up Trump's or Kavanaugh's history.

 

[Puppycow]

I don't know whether Reade's accusation is true or not but this part does raise a red flag for me:

And he had me against the wall,” Reade continued. “And then his hands were down my skirt and up my skirt. And I was wearing–I wasn’t wearing anything underneath. And then, with his hand, he went from there and entered me–with his hand–and as he was trying to kiss me, and saying things to me.”

She claims she was wearing a skirt with nothing on beneath? No underwear? I find that extremely odd. I've never in my life worn a skirt or dress with no underwear on beneath.

Well I can already imagine the response to that one: "typical slut-shaming". It may be unusual, but I don't know if we can call it a "red flag".

My main objections are the timing and the fact that last April (supposedly when she first spoke about it) the accusation was only "inappropriate touching". The rape accusation seems to be a new one.

However, from the Intercept article, this seems to count in her favor:

Update: March 26, 2020
Reade has given an interview with podcast host Katie Halper, describing her time in Biden’s office, and what she described as a sexual assault in 1993. At the time, she told her mother, brother, and a friend who worked in Sen. Ted Kennedy’s office about the incident. Her mother has since passed away, but both her friend and brother told The Intercept they recalled hearing about it from her at the time. Reade’s friend, who asked to remain anonymous so as not to be part of the public blowback, said she discouraged Reade from coming forward at all, concerned that she would be attacked and would never get the apology she was hoping for. Reade and her brother, Collin Moulton, both said that their mother urged her to call the police, but her brother urged her to move on instead. “Woefully, I did not encourage her to follow up,” he said. “I wasn’t one of her better advocates. I said let it go, move on, guys are idiots.” (Moulton, who lives in Georgia, said he voted for Gary Johnson in 2016 and has no intention to vote for either Biden or Donald Trump.)

But we're halfway through the nominating process and all of the moderate alternatives to Biden have already dropped out of the race. It's almost inevitable that Joe Biden is going to be the Democratic party's nominee for president at this point. Two months ago, maybe this would have made a difference, but now? I would have preferred someone, anyone other than Biden to be our nominee, but all the alternatives other than Bernie have already dropped out of the race, and it's too late for them to get back in. So what is this really? Why now, at this precise moment? Can anyone justify the timing to me?

To a large extent, it doesn't matter if the accusation is false. Trump and his supporters can now point to Democrats discrediting women who accuse their candidate of sexual assault as a rebuttal whenever Democrats try to bring up Trump's or Kavanaugh's history.

Exactly.