BBC 9/11: The Conspiracy Files

Aphelion said:
Here's an interesting article about the BBC:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/...xml&sSheet=/opinion/2006/10/27/ixopinion.html
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From the article you linked to, describing an example of what the Telegraph consider to be biased BBC programming (the show was Spooks):

It was about homegrown al-Qa'eda terrorists taking over the Saudi embassy and murdering innocent people. Except that they weren't British Muslims at all, but undercover Israeli agents.
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So you agree with the article? You're concerned that the BBC are giving too much credence to bizzare conspiracy theories by making shows that depict undercover Israeli agents posing as Muslim terrorists?
 
Aphelion said:
The BBC show claimed the debris field was not 8 miles. This is contradicted by mainstream press reports.
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Did you see the part where they explained how many news organizations were mistaken about the distance.

The BBC also called Dylan a dropout, another lie.
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When was this, and is it true?
So you admit the documentary was biased?
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I think you'll find he says he feels the BBC is biased, but saw nothing factualy wrong with the series.
 
CptColumbo said:
Did you see the part where they explained how many news organizations were mistaken about the distance.


When was this, and is it true?

I think you'll find he says he feels the BBC is biased, but saw nothing factualy wrong with the series.
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They said that Dylan was a self confessed dropout. Dylan denied ever saying this, and he never went to college so he could not have dropped out. The producer then lied and claimed dropout had a different meaning in Britain.


I would suggest you find the first episode of this documentary about Diana. It's on torrent sites. The difference is startling.
 
I think I need to teach Aphelion some basic film theory.

In film theory, there is no such thing as objectivity. The framing selected, the choice of footage to use, the juxtaposition of surrounding shots, all of these and more have an influence on the audience.

As a filmmaker, when I say something is "biased" that does not mean it is false. I am merely recognising the inherent fact that ALL media is inherently biased.

Something can be biased AND true. This program by the BBC is a good example.

-Gumboot
 
Aphelion said:
They said that Dylan was a self confessed dropout. Dylan denied ever saying this, and he never went to college so he could not have dropped out. The producer then lied and claimed dropout had a different meaning in Britain.


I would suggest you find the first episode of this documentary about Diana. It's on torrent sites. The difference is startling.
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If they say "self-confessed" that means he told them that. If it's not true it's Dylan's fault, not the programs (that's probably why they called him "self-confessed).
 
gumboot said:
I think I need to teach Aphelion some basic film theory.

In film theory, there is no such thing as objectivity. The framing selected, the choice of footage to use, the juxtaposition of surrounding shots, all of these and more have an influence on the audience.

As a filmmaker, when I say something is "biased" that does not mean it is false. I am merely recognising the inherent fact that ALL media is inherently biased.

Something can be biased AND true. This program by the BBC is a good example.

-Gumboot
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Yet in the quote I posted you admit there is a scale of less to more biased and you thought the BBC may have changed. I have seen many unbiased BBC productions.

Please watch the Diana episode of the same series. It has the same production team and narrator yet is completely different and unbiased.
 
CptColumbo said:
If they say "self-confessed" that means he told them that. If it's not true it's Dylan's fault, not the programs (that's probably why they called him "self-confessed).
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Why didnt they show him saying he's a dropout rather than just claiming it. Dylan said to the producer that he didnt say it and the producer did not correct him.
 
gumboot said:
I don't know if it's the same one... but there was a youtube video I saw that had a live news presenter talking to someone inside the towers. They were describing conditions, and that was why I was watching the video. And then, right in the middle, the building collapse.

It was completely unexpected, and something of a numbing experience. I just sat there staring at the screen for several minutes.

I don't think I will ever forget the sound of that scream.

I usually try to shut out the personal horror of that day, because otherwise I don't think I could debate and research it (maybe that's why I turned to NORAD for my research?). But every now and then the reality - that three thousand people's lives ended in horrific violence - breaks through and refuses to be ignored.

-Gumboot
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The one I mean, that I thought was the one posted here (I obviously didn't want to hear it again) was use in Screw Loose Change (I think - could have been another debunking video). It is to combat the claims about explosions.. It is the emergency operator speaking to a man on an upper floor - above the fires. He tells her how hot it is and that he and some others are trapped. He begs her to get them some help, and cries out about the heat. He tells her where they are located and begs again for help. As she is trying to calm him, while clearly distressed herself because she knows help cannot reach him, he suddenly shouts out "Oh My God!" and then you hear crashing sounds, and the phone is cut off. They time the video clip to show the corner where the office was located collapse as he shouts. There are no explosions heard as the tower collapses, but it is a harrowing call, and I don't envy the dispatcher who took it.
 
Aphelion said:
Why didnt they show him saying he's a dropout rather than just claiming it. Dylan said to the producer that he didnt say it and the producer did not correct him.
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He obviously didn't say it on camera.

Dropout
–noun
1. an act or instance of dropping out.
2. a student who withdraws before completing a course of instruction.
3. a student who withdraws from high school after having reached the legal age to do so.
4. a person who withdraws from established society, esp. to pursue an alternate lifestyle.
5. a person who withdraws from a competition, job, task, etc.: the first dropout from the presidential race.

-Gumboot
 
Aphelion said:
Why didnt they show him saying he's a dropout rather than just claiming it. Dylan said to the producer that he didnt say it and the producer did not correct him.
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Where did he say he didn't say it? Does the producer know he's claiming this? Is being called a film school reject rather than dropout better?

They may not have been taping when he said he was a dropout. He may have meant something else when he said it (other in reference to school dropout). They have misinterpreted what he was saying.

If this is the only error that you are finding in the show, they did pretty well.
 
Aphelion said:
Why didnt they show him saying he's a dropout rather than just claiming it. Dylan said to the producer that he didnt say it and the producer did not correct him.
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Well would you have preferred if the BBC had said "This is Dylan Avery. He got rejected from Film School twice." at least they implied he got into college.
 
Aphelion said:
Why didnt they show him saying he's a dropout rather than just claiming it. Dylan said to the producer that he didnt say it and the producer did not correct him.
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The movement is dead,
get over it... :rolleyes:
 
CptColumbo said:
Where did he say he didn't say it? Does the producer know he's claiming this? Is being called a film school reject rather than dropout better?

They may not have been taping when he said he was a dropout. He may have meant something else when he said it. They have misinterpreted what he was saying.

If this is the only error that you are finding in the show, they did pretty well.
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It isn't an error. They went out of their way to portray the truthers as badly as possible. Jones was called an evangelist, Dylan was called a dropout, Fetzer was filmed in such a way as to make him look kooky(I think he is by the way).

On the other hand, debunkers were portrayed as professional and filmed at ground zero etc.

There were 13 debunkers and only 3 truthers. It was completely biased.
 
gumboot said:
He obviously didn't say it on camera.

Dropout
–noun
1. an act or instance of dropping out.
2. a student who withdraws before completing a course of instruction.
3. a student who withdraws from high school after having reached the legal age to do so.
4. a person who withdraws from established society, esp. to pursue an alternate lifestyle.
5. a person who withdraws from a competition, job, task, etc.: the first dropout from the presidential race.

-Gumboot
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He didn't say it.

Please tell me which of those 5 definitions apply to Dylan.
 
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