To my understanding he was rescued from the 8th floor, brought down to the lobby and out of a makeshift hole by firefighters. Why he was not brought down to the lobby and taken through one of the many broken glass sections is unknown either.
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To my understanding he was rescued from the 8th floor, brought down to the lobby and out of a makeshift hole by firefighters. Why he was not brought down to the lobby and taken through one of the many broken glass sections is unknown either.
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If Barry Jennings went into WTC 7 in between the two airplane impacts (I believe this is what he claimed) and then went up to the OEM, and found no one there, then that would mean that the OEM was evacuated before the official time. And if he is correct, then that moves the time of the explosion to before the collapse of either tower.
The important question was whether Barry Jennings went into WTC 7 as early as he claims or not.
Do you know when Barry Jennings met up with Michael Hess?
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I think Jennings and Hess’ timeline needs to be examined. You are suggesting both were an hour late in reporting to the emergency command post on floor 23. This is very unlikely. I think both arrived before the second impact and tied to get up to the 23 floor via the usual elevators but could not and gained assistance to a service elevator to get to 23. They arrived and found the area abandoned; those in the command post knew the second plane was heading into the area and recently left. They made a few calls and were told to get out immediately. They left via the stairwell adjacent to the service elevator on the south side of WTC 7 and near the 6th floor experienced the explosion. This happened at 9:03.
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Apparently Jennings and Hess were trapped in the stairwell on the 8th floor after the explosion blew away the lower floors. They saw the two towers standing from the stairwell window on the south side of WTC 7.
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The Independent in Britian has a slightly different version of events for Jennings and Hess
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4158/is_20010913/ai_n14406465/print
There is a bit of confusion in the reporting, but it does place Jennings and Hess in WTC 7 when the second plane hit WTC 2. So, their timeline is accurate.
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4158/is_20010913/ai_n14406465/print
There is a bit of confusion in the reporting, but it does place Jennings and Hess in WTC 7 when the second plane hit WTC 2. So, their timeline is accurate.
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Time When WTC7 Lost Power
Tonight I did a little research and believe this is the answer to this Jennings-Hess mystery on WTC7.
The time when WTC7 lost power is also the time Mike Hess claims that he and Barry Jennings left the OEM on the 23rd floor and started down, where on the Eighth Floor they experienced that explosion. He says the time they started down was when the building lost power when they were on the 23rd Floor.
This can be heard in this short, 30 second video clip:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQ8PzzPLRJo
However, in FEMA's report on WTC7, on page 5-15, Con Ed reported WTC7 lost power at 9:59 (due to the collapse of WTC2):
http://www.fema.gov/pdf/library/fema403_ch5.pdf
Jennings apparently got flustered by the events, understandable under the circumstances.
He and Hess experienced the explosion when they got down to the 8th Floor (going down the stairwell due to the power being out), and this occurred after WTC2 had already fallen...and this explosion they experienced must have been very close to the time when WTC1 came down (going down from the 23rd to the 8th Floor would take some time).
Regardless, it happened after WTC2 fell.
This means Jennings could not possibly have seen both towers standing when he looked out after the "explosion" (especially through all the dust and smoke from the collapse).
He also showed his being flustered by the events when he stated this happened when they got down to the 6th Floor, but in the referenced interview above both he and Hess said it happened on the 8th Floor.
Little things can slip in the mind during a harrowing experience, and I believe this matter is closed to my satisfaction.
Tonight I did a little research and believe this is the answer to this Jennings-Hess mystery on WTC7.
The time when WTC7 lost power is also the time Mike Hess claims that he and Barry Jennings left the OEM on the 23rd floor and started down, where on the Eighth Floor they experienced that explosion. He says the time they started down was when the building lost power when they were on the 23rd Floor.
This can be heard in this short, 30 second video clip:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQ8PzzPLRJo
However, in FEMA's report on WTC7, on page 5-15, Con Ed reported WTC7 lost power at 9:59 (due to the collapse of WTC2):
http://www.fema.gov/pdf/library/fema403_ch5.pdf
Jennings apparently got flustered by the events, understandable under the circumstances.
He and Hess experienced the explosion when they got down to the 8th Floor (going down the stairwell due to the power being out), and this occurred after WTC2 had already fallen...and this explosion they experienced must have been very close to the time when WTC1 came down (going down from the 23rd to the 8th Floor would take some time).
Regardless, it happened after WTC2 fell.
This means Jennings could not possibly have seen both towers standing when he looked out after the "explosion" (especially through all the dust and smoke from the collapse).
He also showed his being flustered by the events when he stated this happened when they got down to the 6th Floor, but in the referenced interview above both he and Hess said it happened on the 8th Floor.
Little things can slip in the mind during a harrowing experience, and I believe this matter is closed to my satisfaction.
Good post. The thing about the power going out might explain why Barry Jennings' story (what he thinks happened) is wrong/mistaken. Is it possible though that the power went out only where they (Jennings and Hess) where at the time and that there wasn't a full power outage in WTC 7? Meaning the official time that Com Ed gave wouldn't give the correct time for when they left the OEM and started walking down the stairs. I'm just saying possibilities because I don't get how Barry Jennings could be wrong about seeing something as obvious as both towers still standing after the explosion he experienced (I'm not saying he couldn't be wrong). If one of the towers was blocked by the dust, wouldn't he be able to figure out that one of the towers had collapsed (at least after the fact and later that day when he put the pieces together)?
Also, was the explosion on the sixth floor or the eighth floor?
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Is this an accurate summary of Barry Jennings' (what he thinks happened) timeline?
9:00 A.M.: Enters WTC7
about 9:05: Gets to 23rd floor
about 9:10: Goes back to the lobby
about 9:15: Gets back to the 23rd floor
about 9:25: Finishes phone calls and starts walking down the stairs
about 9:35: Experiences the explosion
about 9:40: Sees both towers still standing
just before 10:00: South tower collapses
9:00 A.M.: Enters WTC7
about 9:05: Gets to 23rd floor
about 9:10: Goes back to the lobby
about 9:15: Gets back to the 23rd floor
about 9:25: Finishes phone calls and starts walking down the stairs
about 9:35: Experiences the explosion
about 9:40: Sees both towers still standing
just before 10:00: South tower collapses
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I don't think that it is fair to ascribe to Mr. Jennings a timeline that he has never endorsed. It appears that he may have been taken in by and taken advantage of by tinhatters briefly (during his brief involvement with the Loose Change morons) but that he was also smart enough to tell them to screw off when it became apparent to him what they were trying to do, how they were trying to twist his words, and how they were trying to use him for their own misguided purposes.
In any event, that timeline is not (and cannot possibly be) accurate, whether Mr. Jennings "believes" it or not. It simply does not accord with verifiable facts and evidence to the contrary.
Traumatic events invariably result in inaccurate (even grossly inaccurate and downright wrong) accounts of events by some people, even though those people are giving their honest recollections of those events. Some people simply recollect things wrongly and erroneously manufacture stories that are not and cannot be true, despite their best intentions, and their honestly but erroneously held beliefs/recollections are simply wrong.
Honest but mistaken beliefs, in other words, which happen all the time.
Dishonesty and deliberate misleading also happens all the time, of course, but I am not prepared to shuffle Mr. Jennings' claims into that category just yet because, so far, his supposed assertions have only been presented by nutcase conspiracy fantasists who are noted for their fabrications, cherry picking, and otherwise unsupported BS.
If you really want to know what Mr. Jennings believes or what timeline he believes, the best way to do so would be to ask him.
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I still don't see how his testimony/interviews regarding explosions is indicative of a controlled demolition of WTC 7 seven hours later.
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Which facts show that he is wrong?
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Please read my post again. You haven't yet established that Mr. Jennings even believes the things that you have ascribed to him, so it is somewhat premature to ask what he is "wrong" about.
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That's why I was asking if the timeline I made fits with what Barry jennings said. After listening to what he said, that is what I came up with. I just put his words into a timeline (or at least I attempted to based on what he said). What facts did I miss in developing the timeline?
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Now put together a timeline based on what others have said; like I said earlier, Peruggia is an excellent place to start. Notice how the other timelines hang together well, while Jennings' does not jibe with anybody else. There were quite a few EMS people in and around WTC 7. Does it make sense that none of them would have heard an explosion at 9:30? In fact, the building was still being evacuated at that time, and there were still thousands of people making their way out of WTC 7 at that time. Now think about a hour later; is there something that could sound very much like an explosion? Yeah, the collapse of the North Tower happened about an hour later.
If you start with the assumption that Jennings is right, you will end up with the plane on the North side of the Citgo.
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Good point on the fact that no one else heard the explosion as early as Barry Jennings said it happened.
What did Peruggia say that makes Barry Jennings wrong? I have read some of Peruggia's quotes, but I haven't seen the ones you are referring to. Also, do you have any other witnesses that prove that Barry Jennings' story can't be true?
I'm sorry that I am asking a lot of questions. I am sort of new to the in depth research into 9/11.