MaGZ
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What is your reason for the explosion at 9:35 and why that time?
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What is your reason for the explosion at 9:35 and why that time?
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Here are two stories you should read. The first is about Michael Catalano who was a chief engineer in WTC 7:
http://www.buildings.com/articles/detail.aspx?ContentID=925
Start at "Life Safety is No. 1".
The next is about elevator mechanics Joe Flanagan and Bob Klaum. Both were inside WTC 7 during the collapses of WTC 2 and WTC 1. The story starts with a short description of how they experienced the collapse of the last tower, WTC 1. Then it describes how they rescued people trapped inside elevators that stalled when the first tower collapsed, WTC 2:
http://www.elevator-world.com/magazine/archive01/0112-005.html-ssi
Start at "New York Mechanics at Their Best During Tragedy".
These guys would have known if anything else happened in addition to the aircraft impacts and the tower collapses.
The fact is that Barry Jennings and Michael Hess arrived at the OEM Operations Center on the 23rd floor shortly before the collapse of WTC 2. What Jennings experienced was nothing else than effects of the collapse of WTC 2 and then WTC 1.
Hopefully this will help you.
So, basically, Barry Jennings was mistaken when he said he saw both towers still standing. Maybe he saw one tower and assumed that the other tower was still there. Either way, the explosion he experienced had to have been from the collapse of the South tower in order for him to have seen at least one of the towers still standing after the explosion and mistaked it for both of them.
Or his interview was taken out of context and what he meant by seeing both towers was that he saw both towers just before he went down the stairs and experienced the explosion.
Or his interview was taken out of context and what he meant by seeing both towers was that he saw both towers just before he went down the stairs and experienced the explosion.
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The following probably explains this Jennings-Hess mystery on WTC7.
The time when WTC7 lost power is also the time Mike Hess claims that he and Barry Jennings left the OEM on the 23rd floor and started down, where on the Eighth Floor they experienced that explosion. He says the time they started down was when the building lost power when they were on the 23rd Floor.
This can be heard in this short, 30 second video clip:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQ8PzzPLRJo
However, in FEMA's report on WTC7, on page 5-15, Con Ed reported WTC7 lost power at 9:59 (due to the collapse of WTC2):
http://www.fema.gov/pdf/library/fema403_ch5.pdf
Jennings apparently got flustered by the events, understandable under the circumstances.
He and Hess experienced the explosion when they got down to the 8th Floor (going down the stairwell due to the power being out), and this was after WTC2 had already fallen. This explosion they experienced must have been very close to the time when WTC1 came down (going down from the 23rd to the 8th Floor would take some time).
Regardless, it happened after WTC2 fell.
This means Jennings could not have seen both towers standing when he looked out after the "explosion", especially through all the dust and smoke from the collapse.
He also showed being flustered by the events when he has stated elsewhere that this happened when they got down to the 6th Floor, but in the referenced interview above both he and Hess said it happened on the 8th Floor.
Little things can slip in the mind during a harrowing experience.
Any thoughts?
The time when WTC7 lost power is also the time Mike Hess claims that he and Barry Jennings left the OEM on the 23rd floor and started down, where on the Eighth Floor they experienced that explosion. He says the time they started down was when the building lost power when they were on the 23rd Floor.
This can be heard in this short, 30 second video clip:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQ8PzzPLRJo
However, in FEMA's report on WTC7, on page 5-15, Con Ed reported WTC7 lost power at 9:59 (due to the collapse of WTC2):
http://www.fema.gov/pdf/library/fema403_ch5.pdf
Jennings apparently got flustered by the events, understandable under the circumstances.
He and Hess experienced the explosion when they got down to the 8th Floor (going down the stairwell due to the power being out), and this was after WTC2 had already fallen. This explosion they experienced must have been very close to the time when WTC1 came down (going down from the 23rd to the 8th Floor would take some time).
Regardless, it happened after WTC2 fell.
This means Jennings could not have seen both towers standing when he looked out after the "explosion", especially through all the dust and smoke from the collapse.
He also showed being flustered by the events when he has stated elsewhere that this happened when they got down to the 6th Floor, but in the referenced interview above both he and Hess said it happened on the 8th Floor.
Little things can slip in the mind during a harrowing experience.
Any thoughts?
That sounds accurate to me.
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The problem with that is WTC 2, when it collapsed around (10:00am), was too far away to damage WTC7 and destroy two level of flight stairs from under the feet of Jennings and Hess.
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Michael Catalano’s story actually supports the missile theory as the explanation for the explosion Jennings and Hess experienced at 9:03. When the first plane hit WTC 1 Catalano felt the building WTC 7 shake. Catalano and his group were on a windowless 48th floor of WTC 7 and did not know at the time a plane crashed into WTC 1 on the north side of the tower.
Then Catalano says, "The second plane hit and they were thrown to the ground". So how could they be thrown to the ground when the second plane hit WTC 2 when it was further away than WTC 1?
The answer: they were thrown to the ground when the missile hit WTC 7 seconds later after WTC 2 was hit by the hijacked plane.
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There was no missile
Here is another witness account from inside WTC 7 that can help you to get a feel of what was going on inside WTC 7 tj15. This is by a firefighter who were attached to the OEM staff on the 23rd floor. He was down in the cafeteria on the third floor eating breakfast when the first plane struck. He went back up in the OEM to check that the OEM communications were properly supervised. Satisfied that so was the case he went over to WTC 1:
http://hosted.ap.org/specials/interactives/_national/sept11_fdny_transcripts/9110458.PDF
http://hosted.ap.org/specials/interactives/_national/sept11_fdny_transcripts/9110458.PDF
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I once read an article about one of the stationary engineers in WTC 7 who was was also one of the last people (besides the three stooges) to leave the building.
Unfortunately I lost the link to it.
Unfortunately I lost the link to it.
Could you be thinking of the first article I linked up in post #103? Unless you read that post of course.
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No, this was one of the maintenance engineers. He was up near or on the roof when he started to evacuate the building, checking the floors as he went down.
He even unplugged coffee makers that had been left on, so this was before the power to the building was cut.
He is at the least mentioned in the story:
Source: First On the Scene: 2 of 3
But a search for Joe Gregori didn't turn up any other stories. That would have been yet another story to confront Galileo with, though I doubt it would help.
From the new WTC7 leaked report.
This open window is also visible in Figure 1-26
It is believed that this window was broken out by people who were trapped on this floor when WTC 1 collapsed. Video clips made available to the Investigation show one of these people inside an open window 8-42A on the eastern edge of the north face. Another of these people was interviewed later in the afternoon by a news person and described yelling out of open windows. Investigation team members interviewed these people and they described breaking out windows on the 8th floor.
I suspect the debate on Barry's tale won't last much longer.
This open window is also visible in Figure 1-26
It is believed that this window was broken out by people who were trapped on this floor when WTC 1 collapsed. Video clips made available to the Investigation show one of these people inside an open window 8-42A on the eastern edge of the north face. Another of these people was interviewed later in the afternoon by a news person and described yelling out of open windows. Investigation team members interviewed these people and they described breaking out windows on the 8th floor.
I suspect the debate on Barry's tale won't last much longer.
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Find any video of Peter Jennings' live coverage of the collapse. He is discussing the grounding of aircraft as the south tower collapses. When it comes to his attention, some five seconds after the collapse had finished, his first reaction is "What are we looking at here?" He could not tell. from his vantage point well above the horizon, that the tower was gone. It is quite likely, therefore, that Jennings, from a far lower vantage point, would have seen the nearer tower, and a greyish structure behind it and assumed that it was the south tower still standing. Since it would not have occurred to him the the tower had collapsed for some 20 to 60 minutes later, he would most likely remember it as the south tower still standing.
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Norseman, here has found some evidence to help support Barry Jennings:
http://www.randi.org/forumlive/showpost.php?p=3820617&postcount=225
First of all, Barry Jennings says he was on the 23rd floor when the 2nd plane hit.
According to the testimony of Zarrillo, Nahmod, and Yakimovich, all three of these people had not even gotten to WTC 7 by the time the 2nd plane hit. They were still in route. So that means by the time they got up to the 23rd floor, Jennings and Hess were already gone down the stairwell.
Hess and Jennings made phone calls while on the 23rd floor. Hess was freaking out and trying to get ahold of Ghouliani. Someone close to Ghouliani told Hess to get out of there, which fits in with Ghouliani's behaviour, as Ghouliani never made any attempt to get to WTC 7. Hess and Jennings evidently got a warning to leave before the fireman did, because the firemen had no direct contact with Ghouliani's staff.
Zarrillo says he went down the stairwell later. Since Jennings went down the east stairwell, and there had been an explosion that destroyed the landing, Zarrillo went down the west stairwell.
Peruggia, before the 2nd plane hit, said he talked to someone who said they had been told the OEC was "operational", prior to the 2nd plane hit.
This means that if the OEC were "operational", then it was in error, or someone else had gone there and started things up, turned the lights or computers on, or whatever it means to make the OEC "operational".
If this is what happened, whoever did this was not there when Jennings & Hess arrived at about 9:03, or if they were, they were out of sight of Jennings and Hess. The OEC is the size of a football field. More likely, whoever turned on the lights and whatever, went down to the lobby to meet people he was expecting for help, like Zarrillo, Nahmod, Peruggia, and Yakimovich, and left their coffee and sandwiches in the OEC.
Because the 2nd plane hit caused a power irregularity, Jennings and Hess went down the east stairwell, were they were almost killed by a bomb on the 6th floor. Then they went up to the 8th floor and looked out the windows. They saw the Twin Towers standing and flagged down a fireman. The firemen were coming to help when WTC 2 fell, and Jennings saw the firemen run for cover. Then the firemen came back, but had to run again when WTC 2 fell. Finally, the fireman came back again and rescued Jennings and Hess at around 11 AM. Jennings and Hess went down to the street, and did a TV interview at 11:34 about a half mile from WTC 7.
The bomb at the 6th floor started a fire in WTC 7, which could later be seen out the window of the 7th floor on the north face, east end.
This exploision was one of the initial blasts that were later used to blow up WTC 7, by taking out core columns 76, 77, 79, or 80.
These explosions left hotspots of over 1000 degress five days after 9/11, near the explosion.
The east stairwell was in a protected area on the north edge of the WTC 7, far away from debris from WTC 1, and protected from debris by core columns #74 and #75. According to NIST, there was no debris damage in the east stairwell.
Its also important to note that virtually every witness on 9/11, and I have read through statements by hundreds of people, frame their narrative around the two plane hits and the two building collapses. Almost every single person uses these guideposts to pin down and give accurate timelines. Jennings is no different than hundreds of brave first responders in that he gives accurate testimony, framed around the significant events of that day. The only difference for Jennings is that he had a 5th important event, the exploision which almost killed him, which he also uses to frame the timeline of his testimony, and ensure its accuracy.
Jennigs said he told NIST the same thing he told Dylan Avery. We need to get the recording of Jennings interview with NIST. Jennings and Hess both said it was an explosion, NIST's thirdhand report says dust and debris settled into the stairwell. The NIST lies have been exposed.
Finally, the fire alram in WTC 7 was turned off at 6:47 AM. If it hadn't, the explosion in the east stariwell would have been reported immediately, rather than almost forgotten. Thanks to 9/11 hero and first responder Barry Jennings, that bomb will not be forgotten, and whoever set it, may one day be brought to justice.
http://www.randi.org/forumlive/showpost.php?p=3820617&postcount=225
First of all, Barry Jennings says he was on the 23rd floor when the 2nd plane hit.
According to the testimony of Zarrillo, Nahmod, and Yakimovich, all three of these people had not even gotten to WTC 7 by the time the 2nd plane hit. They were still in route. So that means by the time they got up to the 23rd floor, Jennings and Hess were already gone down the stairwell.
Hess and Jennings made phone calls while on the 23rd floor. Hess was freaking out and trying to get ahold of Ghouliani. Someone close to Ghouliani told Hess to get out of there, which fits in with Ghouliani's behaviour, as Ghouliani never made any attempt to get to WTC 7. Hess and Jennings evidently got a warning to leave before the fireman did, because the firemen had no direct contact with Ghouliani's staff.
Zarrillo says he went down the stairwell later. Since Jennings went down the east stairwell, and there had been an explosion that destroyed the landing, Zarrillo went down the west stairwell.
Peruggia, before the 2nd plane hit, said he talked to someone who said they had been told the OEC was "operational", prior to the 2nd plane hit.
This means that if the OEC were "operational", then it was in error, or someone else had gone there and started things up, turned the lights or computers on, or whatever it means to make the OEC "operational".
If this is what happened, whoever did this was not there when Jennings & Hess arrived at about 9:03, or if they were, they were out of sight of Jennings and Hess. The OEC is the size of a football field. More likely, whoever turned on the lights and whatever, went down to the lobby to meet people he was expecting for help, like Zarrillo, Nahmod, Peruggia, and Yakimovich, and left their coffee and sandwiches in the OEC.
Because the 2nd plane hit caused a power irregularity, Jennings and Hess went down the east stairwell, were they were almost killed by a bomb on the 6th floor. Then they went up to the 8th floor and looked out the windows. They saw the Twin Towers standing and flagged down a fireman. The firemen were coming to help when WTC 2 fell, and Jennings saw the firemen run for cover. Then the firemen came back, but had to run again when WTC 2 fell. Finally, the fireman came back again and rescued Jennings and Hess at around 11 AM. Jennings and Hess went down to the street, and did a TV interview at 11:34 about a half mile from WTC 7.
The bomb at the 6th floor started a fire in WTC 7, which could later be seen out the window of the 7th floor on the north face, east end.
This exploision was one of the initial blasts that were later used to blow up WTC 7, by taking out core columns 76, 77, 79, or 80.
These explosions left hotspots of over 1000 degress five days after 9/11, near the explosion.
The east stairwell was in a protected area on the north edge of the WTC 7, far away from debris from WTC 1, and protected from debris by core columns #74 and #75. According to NIST, there was no debris damage in the east stairwell.
Its also important to note that virtually every witness on 9/11, and I have read through statements by hundreds of people, frame their narrative around the two plane hits and the two building collapses. Almost every single person uses these guideposts to pin down and give accurate timelines. Jennings is no different than hundreds of brave first responders in that he gives accurate testimony, framed around the significant events of that day. The only difference for Jennings is that he had a 5th important event, the exploision which almost killed him, which he also uses to frame the timeline of his testimony, and ensure its accuracy.
Jennigs said he told NIST the same thing he told Dylan Avery. We need to get the recording of Jennings interview with NIST. Jennings and Hess both said it was an explosion, NIST's thirdhand report says dust and debris settled into the stairwell. The NIST lies have been exposed.
Finally, the fire alram in WTC 7 was turned off at 6:47 AM. If it hadn't, the explosion in the east stariwell would have been reported immediately, rather than almost forgotten. Thanks to 9/11 hero and first responder Barry Jennings, that bomb will not be forgotten, and whoever set it, may one day be brought to justice.
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You placed Jennings and Hess in a northeast stairwelll of WTC 7. They could not have seen the Twin Towers from this vantage.
The explosion was not a bomb.
Quiet the contrary Galileo, every rationale and honest person reading through the interviews I linked will understand that your post is a piece of fiction. Once again Galileo, Nahmod and Zarrillo responded together from Brooklyn after the first plane hit. While driving over the Brooklyn Bridge they saw the second plane hit. In other words they entered the OEM several minutes after the second plane had hit.
The OEM was staffed 24/7:
Source: RICHARD J. SHEIRER
But to handle a full scale emergency the OEM needed be staffed with additional personnel:
Source: RICHARD J. SHEIRER
This interview with firefighter Timothy Brown confirms that the OEM was manned before the first plane hit in accordance with its daily function as described by Sheirer. Timothy Brown was attached to the OEM staff on the 23rd floor. He was down in the cafeteria on the third floor eating breakfast when the first plane struck. He went back up in the OEM to check that the OEM communications were properly supervised. Satisfied that so was the case he went over to WTC 1.
After the first plane they activated the EOC in the OEM and called in the additional personnel required to man it. Among these were Nahmod and Zarrillo who arrived in the OEM well after the second plane had hit. The OEM was evacuated because of a report of a possible third plane heading for New York. This occurred around 09:30. Jennings timeline is wrong. He arrived with Hess in the OEM after the evacuation and some time before the collapse of WTC 2. They were trapped on the 8th floor by the collapse of WTC 1. End of story.
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He is aware but he saw his guru/god uncle fester try the same tactic so he figured he would do it. All I can say is they are showing that they (truth movement) are no more than trained dogs.
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