Merged Barry Jenning's Tale

[Foolmewunz]

Unless I have missed something, Dylan claims he saw this, but there has never been any statement, interview, audio etc associated with Barry Jennings that claims this. His timeline does not match up very well as we understand it and since he has apparently refused to appear in LC:FC it has become unexplainable.

'Cuz , ya know, he'd have blown the lid off of everything but The Man got to him.



(at least that's Dylan's version)

 

[tj15]

People are really bad at remembering the sequence of events they've experienced. That's a known fact. I find it more plausible that Barry thinks he remembers seeing the two towers after the explosion he heard, but instead saw it on his way up, than that everyone else had the story messed up.

That is a possibility. It just seems odd that he could misremember something like that.

 

[tj15]

Unless I have missed something, Dylan claims he saw this, but there has never been any statement, interview, audio etc associated with Barry Jennings that claims this. His timeline does not match up very well as we understand it and since he has apparently refused to appear in LC:FC it has become unexplainable.

I have heard the audio and he said that the towers were both still standing after the explosion he experienced. Does anyone know what Hess said about the whole incident (I think Hess was with Jennings the whole time)? Did Hess ever say that both of the towers were still standing after the explosion they experienced?

 

[SDC]

TJ15, I can't refer you anywhere special, but you ought to look into work on how people react to extraordinarily stressful situations; like battles, natural disasters, and the like. Even not-particularly-traumatic individual car accidents. The mind is not a pure recording device. This has come up from time to time on this site.

Heck, even less traumatic situations. Take my wedding...

 

[DGM]

I have heard the audio and he said that the towers were both still standing after the explosion he experienced. Does anyone know what Hess said about the whole incident (I think Hess was with Jennings the whole time)? Did Hess ever say that both of the towers were still standing after the explosion they experienced?

To the best of my knowledge Hess has not said anything of the kind.

The way I see it is Jennings looked out and saw the north tower and assumed the other was still there (there was lots of dust and smoke). Why would he (at the time) think differently? Now, years later this is how he remembers it.

 

[T.A.M.]

tj15, what do you think happened, based on Barry Jennings Testimony.

Thanks

TAM

 

[tj15]

To the best of my knowledge Hess has not said anything of the kind.

The way I see it is Jennings looked out and saw the north tower and assumed the other was still there (there was lots of dust and smoke). Why would he (at the time) think differently? Now, years later this is how he remembers it.

If there was a lot of dust and smoke, then he would not have seen the other tower. However he seems pretty confident that he saw both towers. I just don't get how he could miss something like that.

 

[tj15]

tj15, what do you think happened, based on Barry Jennings Testimony.

Thanks

TAM

I don't know what happened. I am trying to get as much information on this event as I can. I know I sound like a Truther, but I'm not. This is an argument they always give when I debate them. How could Barry Jennings have experienced an explosion and then see both towers still standing (this is what they ask me)?

Is it possible that debris from the airplane hit WTC 7 during one of the impacts of the towers?

 

[Brainster]

I don't know what happened. I am trying to get as much information on this event as I can. I know I sound like a Truther, but I'm not. This is an argument they always give when I debate them. How could Barry Jennings have experienced an explosion and then see both towers still standing (this is what they ask me)?

Is it possible that debris from the airplane hit WTC 7 during one of the impacts of the towers?

It is possible that minor debris hit the building, but nothing on the scale of what Jennings claims. What I would suggest is checking the oral histories of the firefighters and other first responders, particularly the ones who were in or around WTC-7. EMS Chief John Peruggia, EMT Richard Zarrillo, etc. Look for everybody else they mention and you'll start to get a feel for what was going on at the time. You'll see that there is no way what he says happened that early.

 

[tj15]

Does anyone know what Michael Hess has to say on this topic? Does he have the same story as Barry Jennings?

 

[T.A.M.]

I don't know what happened. I am trying to get as much information on this event as I can. I know I sound like a Truther, but I'm not. This is an argument they always give when I debate them. How could Barry Jennings have experienced an explosion and then see both towers still standing (this is what they ask me)?

Is it possible that debris from the airplane hit WTC 7 during one of the impacts of the towers?

Thats fine. When you have enough info, and come up with a position, I would love to hear it.

Keep educating yourself.

TAM

 

[tj15]

Thats fine. When you have enough info, and come up with a position, I would love to hear it.

Keep educating yourself.

TAM

From what I have seen, it could go one of two ways:

Either Barry Jennings witnessed an explosion before the towers collapsed or he is completely wrong about the times and places he was at.

Am I missing something here or are these the only possible scenarios?

 

[Brainster]

From what I have seen, it could go one of two ways:

Either Barry Jennings witnessed an explosion before the towers collapsed or he is completely wrong about the times and places he was at.

Am I missing something here or are these the only possible scenarios?

Yes, that seems to be a reasonable summary of the possibilities. Although you might want to phrase it a little stronger by pointing out that it's "Either Barry Jennings witnessed an explosion in WTC 7 before the towers collapsed or...."

Now dig a bit and you'll discover which it is. Oh, here's a great site for checking through the various testimonies of the first responders. I've found that the search function at the top left works best.

 

[LashL]

Jennings said he saw both towers still standing after the explosion he experienced.

Can you please provide the evidence upon which you base the above statement? That would be a useful starting point for further analysis and discussion.

As far as I know, Mr. Jennings' description of the explosion that he experienced occurred while he was in a stairwell, and he did not emerge from the stairwell until he was rescued (along with two other people) by emergency personnel. There are no windows in the stairwells, of course, and it is apparent from the photographs of him after his rescue that he was rescued post-collapse of the towers. So, it is difficult to understand how he could have "seen both towers still standing" from inside a stairwell in WTC7 and it also appears that the timing attributed to him is incorrect.

But, by all means, let's take a look at the evidence that you were referring to above (once you provide it) so that we can analyze it.

Can someone clarify this?

Perhaps. There have been threads on Mr. Jennings in the past, after all. But it makes most sense to first see the evidence upon which you have based your initial assertion above so that we are all on the same page and not talking at cross-purposes. Thanks in advance.

 

[e^n]

I have heard the audio and he said that the towers were both still standing after the explosion he experienced. Does anyone know what Hess said about the whole incident (I think Hess was with Jennings the whole time)? Did Hess ever say that both of the towers were still standing after the explosion they experienced?

I emailed Mike Hess and Mike Newman in an attempt to get more information about the interviews conducted. Never received a reply.

You say you have heard his account, could you provide more details? Last time I looked at the timeline he would have had a very very short period in order to experience this before a tower collapsed. The earliest that I am aware of that he could possibly have reached the OEM and found it empty is 9:30, with the latest being past 9:44. I can do the research into this again if you like but it's hard to know for sure whether he was simply mistaken.

 

[tj15]

Yes, that seems to be a reasonable summary of the possibilities. Although you might want to phrase it a little stronger by pointing out that it's "Either Barry Jennings witnessed an explosion in WTC 7 before the towers collapsed or...."

Now dig a bit and you'll discover which it is. Oh, here's a great site for checking through the various testimonies of the first responders. I've found that the search function at the top left works best.

OK. Thanks for the site.

 

[tj15]

Can you please provide the evidence upon which you base the above statement? That would be a useful starting point for further analysis and discussion.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NttM3oUrNmE

I don't know if you accept this as evidence, but this is what I am shown when I debate Truthers.

As far as I know, Mr. Jennings' description of the explosion that he experienced occurred while he was in a stairwell, and he did not emerge from the stairwell until he was rescued (along with two other people) by emergency personnel. There are no windows in the stairwells, of course, and it is apparent from the photographs of him after his rescue that he was rescued post-collapse of the towers. So, it is difficult to understand how he could have "seen both towers still standing" from inside a stairwell in WTC7 and it also appears that the timing attributed to him is incorrect.

Apparently, the explosion occured on the sixth floor and he was forced up to the eighth floor. When he got to the eighth floor, he said he saw both towers still standing.

But, by all means, let's take a look at the evidence that you were referring to above (once you provide it) so that we can analyze it.

That link is what they (Truthers) show me.

Perhaps. There have been threads on Mr. Jennings in the past, after all. But it makes most sense to first see the evidence upon which you have based your initial assertion above so that we are all on the same page and not talking at cross-purposes. Thanks in advance.

I hope this helps.

 

[tj15]

I emailed Mike Hess and Mike Newman in an attempt to get more information about the interviews conducted. Never received a reply.

You say you have heard his account, could you provide more details? Last time I looked at the timeline he would have had a very very short period in order to experience this before a tower collapsed. The earliest that I am aware of that he could possibly have reached the OEM and found it empty is 9:30, with the latest being past 9:44. I can do the research into this again if you like but it's hard to know for sure whether he was simply mistaken.

Barry Jennings' timeline begins earlier than that (according to him). Apparently, the OEM was evacuated before the official time (9:30, I believe).

 

[e^n]

Barry Jennings' timeline begins earlier than that (according to him). Apparently, the OEM was evacuated before the official time (9:30, I believe).

I didn't hear anything to do with that, there were still reports of the OEM being evacuated at 9:44, that would leave 15 minutes before the building collapsed. The situation in the lobby is also adequately explained as the lobby was used as a triage area. There simply doesn't seem to be enough time. I wish I could find the threads on the old LC where I discussed this, but 15-29 minutes is not very much time for him to go up, down, up, down the building, then be rescued and escorted to the lobby

I love the rest of the stuff Alex Jones was saying though, I can look up and find out that WTC7 was a triage centre but according to him it means lots more people died in WTC7 and it was covered up. Occams razor has no place in his mind.

 

[tj15]

I didn't hear anything to do with that, there were still reports of the OEM being evacuated at 9:44, that would leave 15 minutes before the building collapsed. The situation in the lobby is also adequately explained as the lobby was used as a triage area. There simply doesn't seem to be enough time. I wish I could find the threads on the old LC where I discussed this, but 15-29 minutes is not very much time for him to go up, down, up, down the building, then be rescued and escorted to the lobby

I love the rest of the stuff Alex Jones was saying though, I can look up and find out that WTC7 was a triage centre but according to him it means lots more people died in WTC7 and it was covered up. Occams razor has no place in his mind.

Question: Where was Barry Jennings rescued from? The lobby or somewhere higher up?