Baby rapist put on probation

Am I the only American on JREF who doesn't indulge in bloodthirsty, psychotic revenge fantasies?
 
No. I generally condemn murderers because murder is wrong, not because they failed to choose an acceptable victim.
 
The Norseman said:
Am I the only American on JREF who doesn't indulge in bloodthirsty, psychotic revenge fantasies?
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Do you have everyone in this thread except fuelair on ignore or something? (I'm pretty sure NWO Sentryman has never even been to America.)
 
The Norseman said:
Am I the only American on JREF who doesn't indulge in bloodthirsty, psychotic revenge fantasies?
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colander said:
Do you have everyone in this thread except fuelair on ignore or something? (I'm pretty sure NWO Sentryman has never even been to America.)
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The Norseman said:
Thank you, I'm grateful I'm not the only one.
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I think fuelair and NWO Sentryman are the only ones indulging in these psychotic revenge fantasies. And as far as I know, only fuelair is American. NWO Sentryman is, as far as I know, from the UK and according to his profile and the subject matter or most of his posts, is of university age, so there is a good enough chance that he may grow out of thinking that A Serbian Film, Slayer, psychotic movies and bloodlust manga is representative of the grown-up world.

I cannot account for fuelair's tedious self-congratulatory celebrations of his warped fantasies and about how he would like to "concentrate the attention" of people he likes to think no longer qualify as human. Presumably they are merely fantasies and that if he ever did run into anyone who he suspected of carrying out the horrific crimes that start threads on JREF then he will call the authorities rather than act out any of his sadistic hypotheticals. I am sure it is a kind of defence mechanism whereby on hearing about horrible people someone just promises that they wouldn't stand idly by and allow these horrible people to do horrible things.
 
Minor point of pedantry, but having a psychiatric condition does not make one insane in legal terms.
 
ddt said:
That doesn't mean you shouldn't strive to pass the test as much as possible.

I'm not advocating the verdict should be "not guilty by reason of insanity". I'm advocating a guilty verdict, with sentence forced psychiatric treatment.
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1) With a test like "how a civilisation treats its enemies", every one of them, ever, has failed that test.

2) That only applies in the event of a successful insanity defence (which would never apply in this case.
 
angrysoba said:
I think fuelair and NWO Sentryman are the only ones indulging in these psychotic revenge fantasies. And as far as I know, only fuelair is American. NWO Sentryman is, as far as I know, from the UK and according to his profile and the subject matter or most of his posts, is of university age, so there is a good enough chance that he may grow out of thinking that A Serbian Film, Slayer, psychotic movies and bloodlust manga is representative of the grown-up world.

I cannot account for fuelair's tedious self-congratulatory celebrations of his warped fantasies and about how he would like to "concentrate the attention" of people he likes to think no longer qualify as human. Presumably they are merely fantasies and that if he ever did run into anyone who he suspected of carrying out the horrific crimes that start threads on JREF then he will call the authorities rather than act out any of his sadistic hypotheticals. I am sure it is a kind of defence mechanism whereby on hearing about horrible people someone just promises that they wouldn't stand idly by and allow these horrible people to do horrible things.
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Thank you for that. I just find it more likely that Americans act with a cheerful, gleeful revenge "kill 'em all, no mercy" attitude when it comes to punishment of the convicted of all stripes. Our culture seems to doggedly, willfully ignore the lessons that other countries provide in relation to crime and criminal justice and I find it rather disheartening on occasion.
 
The Norseman said:
Thank you for that. I just find it more likely that Americans act with a cheerful, gleeful revenge "kill 'em all, no mercy" attitude when it comes to punishment of the convicted of all stripes. Our culture seems to doggedly, willfully ignore the lessons that other countries provide in relation to crime and criminal justice and I find it rather disheartening on occasion.
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Like what? All it takes for Americans to go "TOUGH ON CRIME" is a case like this. Besides, why does the criminal in the OP deserve mercy?
 
wollery said:
Minor point of pedantry, but having a psychiatric condition does not make one insane in legal terms.
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Yes. In the United States, an insanity defense is considered a 'positive defense' which means that, most importantly, the burden of proof is transferred to the defendant. Also, it doesn't matter per se what the root of the insanity is, as long as the defendant at the time that the crime was committed did not know right from wrong.
 
NWO Sentryman said:
Like what?
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"Like what" what? What are you asking me here?


All it takes for Americans to go "TOUGH ON CRIME" is a case like this. Besides, why does the criminal in the OP deserve mercy?
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Why does the criminal deserve a quick death by being shivved in some prison somewhere?

But, to answer your question, it's good for society to treat everyone with at least a modicum of humanity; it's also fairly well-known that when people are treated as animals, they become more animal-like and less likely to reintegrate into society. There are other reasons, but these will suffice for now.

To this particular point, it's reasonable to do both prison time as well as some form of treatment. Probation does not serve as a punishment which fits this crime, though. I know of a man who is in prison right now for three years for possession of CP pictures on his computer. After a thorough investigation, it was discovered that he never touched a child -- just looked at images. Based on this fact, I think that the so-called baby rapist of the OP should spend at least three years in prison for his crime in addition to life-long therapy and probation.
 
the "lessons from other countries".

As for prison conditions and reoffending, various military prisons are hellish, but have low recidivism rates.
 
ddt said:
Prison violence and retribution fantasies are not funny. We're still talking about a human being.

I agree with the judge he doesn't belong in prison. The guy is a pedophile; he has a psychiatric condition. He should not be in prison, he should get forced psychiatric treatment, until he is cured of his condition.

Too bad for him pedophilia is not curable.
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Come on everyone knows rape is funny and ok when the rappie has it coming.
 
The Norseman said:
Thank you for that. I just find it more likely that Americans act with a cheerful, gleeful revenge "kill 'em all, no mercy" attitude when it comes to punishment of the convicted of all stripes. Our culture seems to doggedly, willfully ignore the lessons that other countries provide in relation to crime and criminal justice and I find it rather disheartening on occasion.
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It's actually fairly common in the UK as well. A lot of opinion polling has suggested that if capital punishment were put to a referendum then its re-establishment would be voted for. Having said that, it was miscarriages of justice which initially led to it being abolished and I believe the abolition was popular at the time. Perhaps the grass is always greener when it comes to the death penalty in the UK. It cannot be re-introduced now, as far as I know, because it would be in violation of EU law.

In Japan, the death penalty is quietly supported by the majority of the population. Even people who I don't suspect of gleeful enjoyment at the death penalty seem to believe it is a case of simple justice to hang murderers. In Japan, I think that only aggravated murder carries the death penalty.
 
NWO Sentryman said:
the "lessons from other countries".

As for prison conditions and reoffending, various military prisons are hellish, but have low recidivism rates.
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You would need to provide evidence that there is a true cause-and-effect going on; that a supposed low recidivism rate is due to hellish conditions rather than other factors.
 
angrysoba said:
It's actually fairly common in the UK as well. A lot of opinion polling has suggested that if capital punishment were put to a referendum then its re-establishment would be voted for. Having said that, it was miscarriages of justice which initially led to it being abolished and I believe the abolition was popular at the time. Perhaps the grass is always greener when it comes to the death penalty in the UK. It cannot be re-introduced now, as far as I know, because it would be in violation of EU law.

In Japan, the death penalty is quietly supported by the majority of the population. Even people who I don't suspect of gleeful enjoyment at the death penalty seem to believe it is a case of simple justice to hang murderers. In Japan, I think that only aggravated murder carries the death penalty.
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I have to admit I'm mildly surprised at that. Though I try to pay attention to news from outside the US, I don't hear or read much regarding people from the UK (for example) who have kind of a bloodlusty outlook toward criminals. I figured that the lessons learned from the age of gin in English history would have been blunt evidence that harsher and harsher punishments do not lower crime rates or recidivism rates. When even children were hanged due to petty theft a hundred years ago and that still does not act as a deterrent, then perhaps we all need to rethink how we treat criminals in general.

ETA: hopefully the last comment makes some sense. I'm kind of tired yet.
 
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