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Australia's Gun Problem

3point14 said:
I think that's a culturaly ingrained US position based on the second amendment and innacurate..

Australia is merely anti-gun compared to the USA. Compared to most other western democracies it's pretty neutral on guns.
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Yes, I expect some people who cream themselves over owning guns do not even understand that most people elsewhere do not really give a damn.

Unless of course, as it stands in Australia, that they need one or more.

Norm
 
3point14 said:
I think that's a culturaly ingrained US position based on the second amendment and innacurate..

Australia is merely anti-gun compared to the USA. Compared to most other western democracies it's pretty neutral on guns.
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all of Europe to start with, but for Switzerland (they keep the gun at home after military conscription).
 
Ranb said:
You are complicit. If a person has to give a reason why they want/need to own a gun then that culture is anti-gun.

Ranb
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That's like saying if a person has to give a reason they need a medication, then that culture is anti-medication.

Personally, I don't think that having to demonstrate a genuine reason for owning a gun in order to get a license which allows you to purchase a gun is that much different from having to demonstrate a genuine reason for taking a medication in order to get a prescription which allows you to purchase the medication.

Either way, misuse can be harmful or fatal. That's why we restrict access certain medicines and guns.

It's not anti-gun or anti-medicine, it's pro-safety.
 
lionking said:
Nonsense. You can't walk around with a rocket launcher or a flame thrower. We just draw the line in a different place.i
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Can you show me a federal law that says I can't walk around with a rocket launcher or flame thrower in the USA?

Ranb
 
fromdownunder said:
I am not anti-gun, I am indifferent-gun. I and many millions of Australians see no need to own one. Except during the coldest days of winter, my front door is open all day, and the wire screen door is unlocked.
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That is what it's like where I grew up.

fromdownunder said:
I have no fear of being shot at, or somebody landing at my door threatening to shoot me. I can assure you that I feel perfectly safe without a gun in the house..
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Same here. My 50 plus gun collection does not make me feel safer.

fromdownunder said:
This is all purely a cultural difference because the majority of Australia and don't give a damn about guns.
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Didn't the majority of Australians give a damn about whether or not to make simple possession of various kinds of common ordinary guns a crime?

fromdownunder said:
A semi automatic, however, would not qualify, as I suppose shooting at targets to be a skill that requires care and accuracy, and something that does not require you to be able to shoot 100 bullets in 10 seconds.
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Who can shot 100 rounds in ten seconds with a semiautomatic firearm other than bump firing? Looking at the Wikipedia article it appears that you might not qualify for many types of firearms.

Ranb
 
Brian-M said:
Either way, misuse can be harmful or fatal. That's why we restrict access certain medicines and guns.

It's not anti-gun or anti-medicine, it's pro-safety.
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Maybe that it how it works where you are from, but in the USA the gun restrictions are based on what some people think are scary, not how much of a threat they are.

Ranb
 
Damien Evans said:
:boggled:
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This refers to the people who buried their guns in the garden instead of turning them in to be destroyed. Wish you had more of a clue in gun threads. That way when you make accusations you can back them up with evidence.

Ranb
 
Ranb said:
Didn't the majority of Australians give a damn about whether or not to make simple possession of various kinds of common ordinary guns a crime?

Ranb
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Common ordinary gun? What is that even supposed to mean? This is what I meant about a cultural difference. And, no, owning a gun is not a crime. You just need a license. Can't you even understand that?

Norm
 
In WA and some other states, possession of rocket launchers and and flame throwers is not regulated. As far as I know CA is the only state that regulates flame throwers to the point of a partial ban for civilians. If I go walking down a Seattle street with one of these items I think I can be sure of getting the attention of the police for potentially disturbing the peace.

I am tired of looking up laws to counter claims of "that's illegal" for people (not you) on this forum. I'd rather see someone back up their stupid claim with a link to a statute.

Ranb
 
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fromdownunder said:
Common ordinary gun? What is that even supposed to mean?
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I thought it was obvious that it meant a gun commonly possessed by those who choose to own guns. A handgun, rifle or shotgun of any type action as opposed to a machine gun, rocket launcher, destructive device, gadget guns etc.

fromdownunder said:
This is what I meant about a cultural difference. And, no, owning a gun is not a crime. You just need a license. Can't you even understand that?
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Is the license issued on demand to any law abiding person for any lawful reason? In the USA the police can withhold a signature on the application required to own some firearms based upon any criteria they want, or without saying why. I've yet to see anyone challenge this successfully in court.

Ranb
 
Ranb said:
Is the license issued on demand to any law abiding person for any lawful reason?
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Yes. And the lawful reasons are clearly defined (I quoted a list of the lawful reasons as they currently stand in NSW earlier in the thread).

But you have to provide evidence that these reasons actually apply.

For example, if you wanted to get a gun license for target shooting, you'd have to provide evidence that you're a member of a shooting club and are actively participating in shooting events....
A licence holder who is a member of an approved pistol club must participate in at least 6 club organised competitive shooting matches over each period of 12 months that the licence is in force AND for each type of pistol you possess for different shooting events, you must undertake at least 4 club organised shoots
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http://www.police.nsw.gov.au/__data...nts_for_Club_Members_-_June_2012_PDF_V1.2.pdf

More info: http://www.police.nsw.gov.au/services/firearms/licences

(I'm giving NSW as the example because that's the most highly populated state.)
 
Thanks for the link. Appears that the word lawful is very restricted. In the USA if I have to take time off from my shooting activities due to injury, illness or work, I can simply resume my hobby when able. I don't have to convince the police that I'm worthy of keeping the license.

If you have not complied with the prescribed legislative requirements for
shooting activities in relation to your club membership, and you can not prove
to the Commissioner of Police satisfaction that compliance was not reasonably
practical in the circumstances, your firearms licence may be revoked.
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Ranb

ETA; I thought they spelled license wrong. I guess not. :) http://www.differencebetween.net/language/difference-between-licence-and-license/
 
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Ranb said:
Thanks for the link. Appears that the word lawful is very restricted. In the USA if I have to take time off from my shooting activities due to injury, illness or work, I can simply resume my hobby when able. I don't have to convince the police that I'm worthy of keeping the license.
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In my opinion, that's a problem. I'm glad it's not like that here.
 
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