Why is it that knowledge of certain topics is expected, but if a person knows how to express any basic knowledge of guns, this makes them a nut? Is it the ISF double standard in play again?
Ranb
Australia's Gun Problem
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Damien Evans
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That was in 2008. He's retired now.
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BStrong
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It isn't just in effect at ISF.
There's a few people in LE that describe me and mine as "gun nuts," and do not intend it to be a compliment.
They also seem to be the type that requires me and mine to keep a 9mm, .40 and .45 pencil set handy during requals.
ETA - why do Aussies oil their gardens?
So the guns won't rust.
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Noztradamus
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Dunno. It's your story.
But I ask google "Greens split from..." and it suggested "Greens Split from Labor", so you're probably right.
arthwollipot
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Yes, exactly. There's an image going around - and I think I've partially been complicit in spreading it - that Australia is anti-gun. It isn't. The main difference is that in Australia, you cannot cite "self-defence" as a reason to own a gun. Just about any other reason is valid, just not self-defence.
Yeah, I couldn't find a reference either. Maybe I imagined it.
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Unless it was the NSW Greens Spokesperson on Firearms David Shoebrige's courtship 0f Fredrik Toben
http://www.parliament.nsw.gov.au/prod/parlment/hansart.nsf/V3Key/LC2013082010
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Noztradamus
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You are complicit. If a person has to give a reason why they want/need to own a gun then that culture is anti-gun.
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Damien Evans
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Nonsense. You can't walk around with a rocket launcher or a flame thrower. We just draw the line in a different place.i
arthwollipot
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There are some fundamental human rights that any civilised country should grant to its citizens. These include the right to food, shelter, clean water and access to education, freedom of religion, speech and assembly.
The right to be capable of easily and spontaneously murdering someone is not one of them.
Norman Alexander
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Google Translate says: If'n yer not fer us then yer agin' us!
Here's how that should have read: If a person has to give a reason why they want/need to own a gun then someone is probably paying attention and being careful up front. And if that reason is legal and compelling, and the applicant meets approval criteria, then they can have one no problem. Just like getting a car license, really.
Norman Alexander
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Ah yes. According to your respondent, the Honourable Member in the Greens Party should have told the holocaust denier to "**** off back to the **** hole you came from, you Nazi prick!" That would have been the better "return to civility" than the politely worded but definite response he did send which gave the denier no yardage in response.
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Noztradamus
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Ah yes. According to your respondent, the Honourable Member in the Greens Party should have told the holocaust denier to "**** off back to the **** hole you came from, you Nazi prick!" That would have been the better "return to civility" than the politely worded but definite response he did send which gave the denier no yardage in response.
The normal world is that bipolar to you? It is actually possible to converse with Mr Toben without inviting him to a joint enterprise with you or resorting to such abusive language.
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I am not anti-gun, I am indifferent-gun. I and many millions of Australians see no need to own one. Except during the coldest days of winter, my front door is open all day, and the wire screen door is unlocked. I have no fear of being shot at, or somebody landing at my door threatening to shoot me. I can assure you that I feel perfectly safe without a gun in the house..
This is all purely a cultural difference because the majority of Australia and don't give a damn about guns.
BTW, if I wanted to join a gun club, and shoot at targets, I would have no problem whatsoever in obtaining the legal guns of my choice. A semi automatic, however, would not qualify, as I suppose shooting at targets to be a skill that requires care and accuracy, and something that does not require you to be able to shoot 100 bullets in 10 seconds.
And Australia has many hundreds of gun clubs and many, many tens of thousands of members. And now there are more guns per capita than after the Port Arthur massacre. They are perfectly legal to own - but not for people who simply decide that they want one to shoot up the neighborhood.
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I think that's a culturaly ingrained US position based on the second amendment and innacurate..
Australia is merely anti-gun compared to the USA. Compared to most other western democracies it's pretty neutral on guns.