Split Thread Australian speaker Harry Jenkins resigns

[wombatwal]

So, what you are saying is that Gillard was not telling porkies when she said, and I quote: "there will never be a carbon tax in any government that I lead." end quote.

If you can remember she said this during an election campaign.
She had no idea (unless she was a psychic) that she would end up with a hung parliament and having to negotiate with Independents and Greens.
She probably genuinely thought she would not have a carbon tax. But of course things changed and she had to negotiate.
Really rather simple. You really should stop listening to the rabid right wing press that still has not got over the defeat of the Noalition in August last year.

 

[amb]

No, I think she genuinely believed that she could defer putting a price on carbon until 2013 and was trying to take the heat out of the line Abbott was running at the time that emissions trading was a 'great, big new tax'.

In other words, it's what I've been saying for years. When you see a politicians lips move, they are telling lies. Howard's Core and Non Core Promises immediately come to mind.
No one will ever shake from my mind that the best government this country has ever had was the Hawk-Keating years. All the prosperity now enjoyed by most is the results of the policies of that government. Since then. All governments, especially the Howard years, apart from dumping a GST on us have been do nothing governments. The Gillard regime will be remembered for doing the same with a not required carbon tax.

 

[amb]

A government lives to make changes for the betterment of it's people. Unless they do that, they are not required, the bureaucracy can run the place.

 

[Hallo Alfie]

A government lives to make changes for the betterment of it's people.

Hear hear.

 

[a_unique_person]

A government lives to make changes for the betterment of it's people. Unless they do that, they are not required, the bureaucracy can run the place.

They are doing just that, although they could be doing a better job in many ways, they are still much better than the alternative. Democracy does have many problems, Labor is far from immune to them. To date this government has passed 250 pieces of legislation.

 

[lionking]

They are doing just that, although they could be doing a better job in many ways, they are still much better than the alternative. Democracy does have many problems, Labor is far from immune to them. To date this government has passed 250 pieces of legislation.

Yes, a great reformist year. I'm proud to say that the government pinched my idea (seriously, I ran a successful pilot project which the government referenced) to mentor apprentices and get far better completion rates. I wouldn't mind a small proportion of the $100 million committed over the next four years. Don't worry, the payback is many times the cost, and I'm mighty proud I played a part.

 

[Hallo Alfie]

They are doing just that, although they could be doing a better job in many ways, they are still much better than the alternative. Democracy does have many problems, Labor is far from immune to them. To date this government has passed 250 pieces of legislation.

Quantity not quality sort of fellow are you?

That said, I do not say that all are bad, but some are very very bad.

 

[amb]

History will judge the Gillard regime, whether the 250 pieces of legislation have been for the betterment of all. I like most of you fear Abbott as PM, and sincerely hope the Liberal Party come to their senses and dump the man. This will only happen if Labor starts making up ground on a two party preferred basis. Say, around 48 -52. At present, even with the mad monk at the helm, the margin is well over 10%

 

[arthwollipot]

Please define "lie".

 

[Legend]

Hear hear.

You think that grammatically incorrect phrase is disputed by your opposition, or was this purely a redundant concurrence?

 

[Hallo Alfie]

Please define "lie".

When one is not erect or upright.

 

[Hallo Alfie]

You think that grammatically incorrect phrase is disputed by your opposition, or was this purely a redundant concurrence?

Huh?

 

[lionking]

Not erect.

That's all you've got?

Pathetic.

 

[Legend]

When one is not erect or upright.

Then I can understand that word being used in reference to Julia Gillard.

Aaaaaand let's get a big cheer for sexism! Yay!

 

[nvidiot]

History will judge the Gillard regime, whether the 250 pieces of legislation have been for the betterment of all. I like most of you fear Abbott as PM, and sincerely hope the Liberal Party come to their senses and dump the man. This will only happen if Labor starts making up ground on a two party preferred basis. Say, around 48 -52. At present, even with the mad monk at the helm, the margin is well over 10%

"Fear Abbott as PM?"

I'm *********** terrified.

Abbott appears to be doing extraordinarily well considering the lines he's been using and tactics in the parliament. He has to hope that he can sustain these numbers, not just generate them in the short term. That's hard. Like really, really hard. His best shot at government was the last election, and he flubbed it. Then spat the dummy about flubbing it.

I'm not averse to a liberal government, with the right people at the helm. Turnbull will probably be remembered as one of the best PMs we never had, (along with Beazley and Costello).

But Trainwreck Tony in charge? It's enough to give a man faith just to pray that doesn't happen.

 

[amb]

That's all you've got?

Pathetic.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/lie

 

[Hallo Alfie]

Then I can understand that word being used in reference to Julia Gillard.

Aaaaaand let's get a big cheer for sexism! Yay!

You've lost me, why sexism?

Erect, as in upright, as in standing.
Lie, as in lying down, as in flat out.

From ambs link:
verb (used without object)
1. to be in a horizontal, recumbent, or prostrate position, as on a bed or the ground; recline.

2. (of objects) to rest in a horizontal or flat position: The book lies on the table.

 

[arthwollipot]

"Fear Abbott as PM?"

I'm *********** terrified.

It's entirely within the realms of possibility that under a Liberal government my position will be made redundant. And I freaking love this job.

 

[Legend]

Huh?

I'll rephrase: Why would you bother with a "hear hear" to a comment like that? That's like verbally screaming concord to a factual observation.

"Chickens lay eggs."
"OH GOD YES! HEAR HEAR, BROTHER!"

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/lie

Do you realise the glaring difference between definitions one and three that you just linked? That's why Arth asked the question. C'mon, you've seriously got to put more effort into your argumentation.

You've lost me, why sexism?

Erect, as in upright, as in standing.
Lie, as in lying down, as in flat out.

From ambs link:
verb (used without object)
1. to be in a horizontal, recumbent, or prostrate position, as on a bed or the ground; recline.

2. (of objects) to rest in a horizontal or flat position: The book lies on the table.

3. to be or remain in a position or state of inactivity, subjection, restraint, concealment, etc.: to lie in ambush.

4. to rest, press, or weigh (usually followed by on or upon ): These things lie upon my mind.

You missed my (hilarious) joke.

 

[amb]

"Fear Abbott as PM?"

I'm *********** terrified.

Abbott appears to be doing extraordinarily well considering the lines he's been using and tactics in the parliament. He has to hope that he can sustain these numbers, not just generate them in the short term. That's hard. Like really, really hard. His best shot at government was the last election, and he flubbed it. Then spat the dummy about flubbing it.

I'm not averse to a liberal government, with the right people at the helm. Turnbull will probably be remembered as one of the best PMs we never had, (along with Beazley and Costello).

But Trainwreck Tony in charge? It's enough to give a man faith just to pray that doesn't happen.

Tony Abbott is the worse Opposition leader this country has ever had in my lifetime. No, that's not me saying that, although I agree 150% . That was said by none other than Paul Keating in a forthcoming book.