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Split Thread Australian speaker Harry Jenkins resigns

bit_pattern said:
Abbott really blew this one, his strategy to wreck the parliament has really come back to bite him on the arse :D
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Abbott is incapable of long term planning. Not the sort of person you would be wanting to lead your party into Government.

As for his inability to assess a situation correctly and react accordingly.

Michael Gordon IT WAS a throwaway line, but it summed up the end-game of a political strategy that was all about blasting Julia Gillard out of office, as quickly as possible. ''See you next year at The Lodge for drinks,'' a cheerful Abbott told reporters who attended the Opposition Leader's Christmas drinks at this time last year.
Whether it was achieved by wooing one of the independents who helped Gillard form minority government, or blasting out a Labor MP accused of behaving badly, or fuelling speculation of an imminent challenge to Gillard by Kevin Rudd, didn't matter.
Abbott was one vote away from the prime ministership and - courtesy of his relentless assault on Gillard's integrity and Labor's ineptness - a country mile ahead in the polls. His was a ''government-in-waiting'', and it all made for a very disciplined party room.
A year on, Abbott's Coalition is still mightily ascendant in the polls, but the game has changed. The coup that delivered the speakership to the disaffected Peter Slipper has transformed this contest, giving Gillard a two-seat buffer and dramatically increasing the odds that the Parliament will run full term.
That means Gillard has a better chance of building a recovery from the foundations of recent weeks. It certainly means the pressure is squarely on Abbott to come up with a new strategy in the months ahead. No wonder he is crying foul.
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He had a plan A, but no plan B, even though it was more likely the Government would last out this year. It appears he is incapable of accepting the fact that his intellect, bravado and bullying may not be capable of forcing an issue the way he wants, and that other people may be just as capable and intelligent as he is. Being a Rhode's scholar does not make you superman, you will still be subject to reality. People are starting to realise that Abbott is not capable of dealing with reality adequately.
 
wombatwal said:
From todays UnAustralian.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nati...-1226206614183
The dirt is flying now about Slipper.
This is only showing up Abbott and the Noalition.
Where was this dirt last week??
In a locked cupboard in Noalition HQ I assume.
ABA, ABA
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The dirt will stick on both sides I think. Abbott was just about to get rid of him, that's why Gillard could strike the deal she did; he was gone anyway.

While I accept to a point that the coalition did protect him for some time, it's only because they were to withhold that protection that the door was opened.

We can twist this a million was from Sunday, the problem is now Gillard's and I reckon this only pours petrol on the integrity problem she has with the public. Ultimately she will be hurt more by this than the coalition.

Interesting times indeed.

There is so much fun in federal politics we have a new thread: http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=224562
 
So is this the new cover-all Aus politics thread? Because I really want to mention the momentous decision by the Gillard government to end the discriminatory asylum seeker policy that punished boat arrivals for their mode of transport.

It's the end of a decade of pandering to the worst elements of our society and trying to out-right the Lib's on an issue they could never win.

Finally, we're putting the Howard era to rest once and for all. It's as though he has been wedging Labor from the grave these last four years. The High Court has forced Labor to grow a pair and come up with an independent policy that might just take the heat out of the inane focus on every new boat arrival.

The Gillard government, in a major reversal, will end the discriminatory treatment of asylum seekers arriving by boat as it begins to unwind its network of detention centres, which have drawn international condemnation on humanitarian grounds.

Asylum seekers who risk their lives to reach Australia by sea will have access to the Refugee Review Tribunal from next year - currently accessed only by asylum seekers arriving by air.

Twenty-seven male asylum seekers were released into the community yesterday on bridging visas, with at least 100 a month to follow.

Refugee advocates welcomed the move as ''a game-changer''. "For 10 years, successive governments have tied themselves in knots, applying different rules to asylum seekers according to where they first set foot on Australian soil … Finally, common sense has prevailed," said Refugee Council of Australia chief executive Paul Power.


Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/national/gillard-softens-on-refugees-20111125-1nzc0.html#ixzz1emAFGccH
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A.A. Alfie said:
We can twist this a million was from Sunday, the problem is now Gillard's and I reckon this only pours petrol on the integrity problem she has with the public.
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Why is it her problem and how does this become an integrity problem?

Ultimately she will be hurt more by this than the coalition.
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Why will she be hurt by this more than the coalition? She's basically managed to shore up her own position while damaging the coalition's position. I don't understand how you can come to such a conclusion.
 
A.A. Alfie said:
The coaltion have disassociated themselves from him because he was a crook (my word). She promotes him.
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That's not true at all. The Coalition tolerated and enabled his alleged crookedness ever since he ratted on the Nat's and joined the Lib's for political gain. It was only once he was promoted were the Lib's were prepared to dissociate themselves from him, Abbott himself counselled against driving him to the cross-benches after the Rudd school tour fiasco, but he beat them to the punch and dissociated himself from them.
 
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bit_pattern said:
That's not true at all. The Coalition tolerated and enabled his alleged crookedness ever since he ratted on the Nat's and joined the Lib's for political gain.
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Generally I agree.

bit_pattern said:
It was only once he was promoted were the Lib's were prepared to dissociate themselves from him, Abbott himself counselled against driving him to the cross-benches after the Rudd school tour fiasco, but he beat them to the punch and dissociated himself from them.
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Wrong.
The coalition were about to shove him out, he jumped first, Gillard pounced.

You are also dismissing the possibility there was a backroom deal which would firm up my contention. Why was Slipper out with Rudd recently? Speculation I know but it adds to the intrigue.
 
A.A. Alfie said:
The coalition were about to shove him out, he jumped first, Gillard pounced.
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No they weren't. They would like to have been able to but the numbers wouldn't allow it. Instead they were going to roll him at preselection and put Brough into his seat.
 
bit_pattern said:
No they weren't. They would like to have been able to but the numbers wouldn't allow it. Instead they were going to roll him at preselection and put Brough into his seat.
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That's right, and if (when) he lost pre-selection he would have gone over to the cross benches. Abbott has been extremely careless in his treatment of Slipper. If he can't handle his own backbench, he is incapable of handling any higher office.
 
According to the Australian this morning, Slippery Slipper is been investigated over many rorts. He may no survive for too long.
 
amb said:
According to the Australian this morning, Slippery Slipper is been investigated over many rorts. He may no survive for too long.
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That would be the article that I linked to earlier.
It does seem a bit strange that this has now became an issue.
It was not last week.
The conservatives are complicant in their inaction.
 
amb said:
According to the Australian this morning, Slippery Slipper is been investigated over many rorts. He may no survive for too long.
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What do you mean by "survive"?

There's no way he will be removed from Parliament.
 
amb said:
According to the Australian this morning, Slippery Slipper is been investigated over many rorts. He may no survive for too long.
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He will probably 'survive'. If he doesn't, Labor is no worse off. Don't forget, all these accusations of rorts happened while he was a member of the Liberal Party. Abbott was trying to stop the LNP in Queensland from doing anything. You can be suspicious of just about anything The Australian has to say about politics, it servers merely to mirror what the Liberal Party thinks.
 
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