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Australian Politics: The Albanese Times

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Sideroxylon said:
What is the distinction you are making here? When we go to the polls there is a sense in which we are choosing our prime minister. :)
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The distinction is that unlike a POTUS election, for the LNP to cry "rigged" they would have to challenge the results in at least 25 seats.
 
psionl0 said:
The distinction is that unlike a POTUS election, for the LNP to cry "rigged" they would have to challenge the results in at least 25 seats.
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I see what you mean in that a successful challenge by Trump required less seats to flip. However I believe Shemp is talking about a bloodymindedness that exists in the hyper-polarisation of US politics that we fortunately do not have here.
 
Sideroxylon said:
I see what you mean in that a successful challenge by Trump required less seats to flip. However I believe Shemp is talking about a bloodymindedness that exists in the hyper-polarisation of US politics that we fortunately do not have here.
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Only one seat needed to flip to topple the POTUS.

Australia has got a court of disputed returns which sees plenty of action when results are close but seldom do we see a case reach the high court and it would't make a difference in this case anyway.
 
Just listened to Albo’s speech again. No notes, powerful, from the heart, and (as I will now admit) inspirational.

He may well become a good, even very good, PM.

It was a great speech.
 
Albo invoked the “true believers” concept as well. It was authentic when it came from Keating. It is equally authentic from Albo.
 
psionl0 said:
Political pundits have already given Labor a majority win. However, they need 76 seats for a majority. ATM the state if play is Labor: 71 seats, LNP 51, Greens 3, Others 12 with 14 seats undecided. The LNP had a big swing away from them this election but the votes didn't go to Labor - except in WA which was enough for Labor to claim victory.

In the Senate, the current state of play is LNP 30 seats, Labor 25 seats, Greens 12 seats, Lambie 2 seats and ON 1 seat with 6 seats undecided. Labor needs to control 40 Senate seats to pass legislation which seems unlikely even with Greens support.

So far, Albanese has ruled out forming a coalition so it remains to be seen how effective he will be.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/elections/federal/2022/results?filter=all&sort=az&state=all
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There are 76 Senators, so less than 40 is enough.
 
lionking said:
Just listened to Albo’s speech again. No notes, powerful, from the heart, and (as I will now admit) inspirational.

He may well become a good, even very good, PM.

It was a great speech.
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I agree, a most inspirational speech. :thumbsup:

One of Albo's qualities I have heard spoken about is his high conciliation abilities.
 
Wildy said:
The Liberals lost because they weren't right wing enough according to Sky News people.

I also got an ad when reading that article with a little girl having a sook about something which seemed apt for the article.
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Sounds like people afraid their whole schtick has been exposed as irrelevant. If the News Corp overlords see it that way they might lose the TV gig ranting to cooked retirees. Seems there could be more viewers and influence in a UK Sky model. I have a feeling we aren’t in Kansas anymore.
 
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The change of opinion on Albo’s leadership ability in this thread is something to reflect upon. I wonder if the wider view has also become more positive following an election win and a victory speech. During the campaign and prior we had the media and people opining on his lack of charisma and leadership qualities, and so it was with Shorten. Would he be getting the same re-evaluation if he had won? Were these just narratives that we blindly accept and repeat?

Of course we are in the honeymoon period and no policy enacted.
 
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lionking said:
As I said earlier (I think, it’s been an “emotional” night) I want Dutton to survive and be Liberal leader. That would guarantee a decade government for Labor.
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I wouldn't mind a Liberal government if they were the sort of party that soundly rejected Dutton as leader.

Hopefully Morrison's failure doesn't make them double down and use Dutton.

While the success of teal independents this election gives me hope for Australia, there is still a large number of people who will vote Liberal or Labor by name only, not policies.

Giving them the choice of either small-l liberal LNP or Labor guarantees what's best for the country.

But giving them an option of a wing-nut potato is not good for Australia.
 
Sideroxylon said:
The change of opinion on Albo’s leadership ability in this thread is something to reflect upon. I wonder if the wider view has also become more positive following an election win and a victory speech. During the campaign and prior we had the media and people opining on his lack of charisma and leadership qualities, and so it was with Shorten. Would he be getting the same re-evaluation if he had won? Were these just narratives that we blindly accept and repeat?

Of course we are in the honeymoon period and no policy enacted.
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Still think he is nowhere near the charisma of some previous political leaders on both sides. Honestly, his good victory speech was still a bit of a drone. No doubting his abilities and intentions. But he IS pretty beige...
 
Orphia Nay said:
I wouldn't mind a Liberal government if they were the sort of party that soundly rejected Dutton as leader.

Hopefully Morrison's failure doesn't make them double down and use Dutton.

While the success of teal independents this election gives me hope for Australia, there is still a large number of people who will vote Liberal or Labor by name only, not policies.

Giving them the choice of either small-l liberal LNP or Labor guarantees what's best for the country.

But giving them an option of a wing-nut potato is not good for Australia.
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I hope they DO turn to the right-wing nutcases like Dutton. And that they shrink and shrink. Because they will be on the outer for a long time. Good riddance.
 
Still happy about this.

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“Pauline Hanson quits parliament after hearing it will be run by a minority“ is more nice work by the Chaser.
 
lionking said:
I don’t disagree with this. But Labor’s vote is down too. I don’t think this election was decided on policies given how similar the policies of both major parties are. Labor deliberately made themselves a small target and got barely a third of the vote.
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Labor's primary vote is down. They won on preferences, because that's how our electoral system is supposed to work.
 
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