Attempted Military Coup in China?

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There's been quite a bit of (largely unreported) intrigue and political shenanigans in China over the past two months. First, the Vice-Mayor of Chongqing, Wang Lijun, sought sanctuary in the U.S. Consulate on Feb. 24. He stayed there overnight, before finally leaving the embassy of his own volition, turning himself over to Chinese authorities. There's a lot of speculation that he sought political asylum, but this has not been officially confirmed by either side. Since turning himself over to Chinese authorities, he's been on "vacation-style medical treatment", according to the gov't.

Pretty much all information seems to point to his actions being motivated by a falling-out with his boss, the Mayor of Chongqing, Bo Xilai; Wang was being investigated over corruption accusations, and in return for leniency, had apparently revealed information about Bo's own corrupt activities.

Now, this is no minor thing...Bo Xilai has something of a cult figure status in China. First as Mayor of Dalian, then as Mayor of Chongqing, he's had notable and widely publicized success in cracking down on organized crime and corruption, and on significantly increasing economic conditions in those cities. He was widely touted as one of the top candidates to ascend to China's Politburo Standing Committee (a very powerful position), and possibly even as a candidate for President in another 8-10 years.

He's also the son of Bo Yibo, a famous figure in Communist propaganda, was a leading hard-liner in the Chinese hierarchy in the 80s and 90s.

But there is another side to the Bo Xilai story...he also is a Communist hard-liner (following in his father's footsteps), who promoted a return to "red culture"...essentially glorifying Mao Zedong, and calling for a return of the rabid patriotism that fueled the Cultural Revolution. This appealed to a significant segment of China's population, particularly those in rural areas (those in urban areas, particularly the most developed cities like Beijing and Shanghai, tended to regard him with dismay). He was openly critical of more recent government policies that allowed more freedom and openness, and ran Chongqing with an iron fist, suppressing media and silencing his critics whenever possible.

When Wang offered to give evidence of Bo's corruption, Bo responded by arresting a number of Wang's close friends, and reportedly threatening his family...the speculation is that Wang went to the U.S. Consulate because he feared for his life. Wang refused to turn himself over to local authorities (who were controlled by Bo), but rather insisted he'd only turn himself over to authorities from Beijing.

Of course, all media coverage of this was censored in China, and any searches for relevant terms on Google or other sites were blocked.

Now, fast-forward a little bit. March of 2012, after Wang's attempted defection, and just before the 18th Party Congress (an event held every five years to set policy and appoint leaders for the next five years). It was anticipated that Bo would be appointed to the Politburo Standing Committee, but instead it was suddenly announced that he'd been removed from his position in Chongqing, and relieved of all government powers and responsibilities.

Then, on March 21, there were reports of gunshots fired and military activity in Zhongnanhai in Beijing. Zhongnanhai is where all the top Chinese gov't leaders live, and is the effective seat of power in China. Rumors started anew about an attempted military coup. But again, the Chinese censors cracked down.

Rumors have flourished despite that effort, and on Friday, the Chinese gov't launched an even stronger crack-down, arresting several key figures who'd been reporting rumors of an attempted coup, and shutting down several key websites and social media platforms.

There's still no official news whatsoever as to what happened, and rumors are flying about wildly. I've got my own theory -- based largely on speculation -- about what happened.

My theory:

Bo Xilai was not himself planning a coup (many rumors here are that he was actually masterminding a revolution). But being a hardliner who was set to get significant power, he was being courted by military elements within the Chinese gov't who want to return to a more hard-line style of government, like that of 30 or 40 years ago. China's leadership is right now in a major power struggle between the hardliner conservatives, and the more moderate reformers. The former are smaller in number, but are also made up largely of veterans who were instrumental in making China powerful; the latter are larger in number, but seen as 'newcomers' who weren't involved in the struggle to make China great (WW II, the Cultural Revolution, etc.).

So, some of these people court Bo Xilai, seeking to establish alliances with him, and perhaps even plot an eventual takeover of the Party once Bo is in power. But it's a long-term plan, without any intent of immediate implementation (these people have proven themselves very much to be long-term and very cautious planners).

Wang Libo is aware of this, and when he comes under investigation, threatens to reveal Bo's connections and plans...accusations which could be considered treasonous. Bo responds by arresting those connected to Wang, and trying to apprehend Wang and his family; Wang, afraid that local authorities won't/can't protect him, seeks refuge at the U.S. Consulate.

Wang eventually surrenders himself to Beijing authorities, who then investigate his accusations, and find enough evidence to concern them...they then remove Bo from power, intending a more thorough investigation of Bo, and anyone connected with him.

Someone in the military leadership who'd been plotting with Bo realizes that his own role could be revealed, and in desperation, attempts an ill-fated military coup. But he lacks the time or resources to put anything effective together, and is stopped after a brief fight.

This is purely speculation...but it fits with the relatively few confirmed facts that are available to us right now. Hopefully, more news will be released in future, once the gov't feels it has everything under control, and then we can see how close my guesses are to reality.

But regardless...tons of drama in China right now. Doesn't seem that the Western media's covering it very much, but do keep an eye out for news about this...whatever happened, there's definitely more than has been reported thus far.
 
But regardless...tons of drama in China right now. Doesn't seem that the Western media's covering it very much, but do keep an eye out for news about this...whatever happened, there's definitely more than has been reported thus far.

I read about it online yesterday in my Google news summaries, and the local paper (Chicago Tribune] didn't say a peep that I could see.
 
I've been looking forward to some imput from you on this matter - thanks :)

McHrozni
 
Maybe the start of the Arab Spring in China, done Chinese style. In a year or two China may be completely different from how it is now in the way it is governed. But this is purely speculation on my part and I am usually wrong.
 
Talk about synchronicity. I just had my weekly phone conversation with my dad and he mentioned this. A quick search in the German media didn't reveal a thing.
This sounds a lot like it might lead to even more conflicts in the future if both sides of the party start to lash out at each other over this. Not good.
One question that concerns me: is it safe for you to post about this? I assume my question is naive, but given that media crackdown I worry a bit.
 
Maybe the start of the Arab Spring in China, done Chinese style. In a year or two China may be completely different from how it is now in the way it is governed. But this is purely speculation on my part and I am usually wrong.
Not even remotely similar...Arab Spring was a grassroots movement of the citizens against an oppressive government; this is a situation of infighting within the government between progressives and conservatives, an internal power struggle between opposing factions.

That being said, it could lead to significant changes in the government, if this gives them an opportunity to root out some of the hard-liners. There are leaders in the gov't who want more rapid and progressive change, but have been held back by the military threat from hard-liners.
This sounds a lot like it might lead to even more conflicts in the future if both sides of the party start to lash out at each other over this. Not good.
One question that concerns me: is it safe for you to post about this? I assume my question is naive, but given that media crackdown I worry a bit.
Its safe for me to post about it on foreign sites, but would be quite dangerous to do it in China. The gov't doesn't concern itself terribly over what foreigners read, only what information Chinese have access to.

And a showdown between the two factions in government is pretty much inevitable, not so much a question of "if" as of "when". The hard-liners have been one of the major reasons for lack of progress, in that even if more progressive leaders want more rapid/radical change, they can't do too much for fear of inciting an internal revolt. As mentioned above, while the hard-liners are in the minority, they also control the majority of the military, and are still a force to be reckoned with.

If this is actually a situation of an internal power struggle, I hope that it allows the more progressive leaders to root out the hard-liners behind it, giving them a legitimate reason to remove them from power before they can get more organized.
 
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So what are the odds that this tension results in a civil war in China?

It probably won't, but some things, to get realigned, appear to require strife. (See the former Yugoslavia, for starters, and what's going on in Iraq at the moment).
 
So what are the odds that this tension results in a civil war in China?

It probably won't, but some things, to get realigned, appear to require strife. (See the former Yugoslavia, for starters, and what's going on in Iraq at the moment).
I'd consider it very highly unlikely. The vast majority of Chinese are quite content with the direction China's going right now, and the last thing they want is the instability that a civil war would bring about. The only danger would be in a military coup, and I don't believe that the hard-liners are organized enough or in a position to rally enough of the military to support them at this time.

The bigger danger would be to leave the hard-liners alone, and wait for a major crisis in China (such as the economic crisis that I believe is going to happen soon), then they use that opportunity to claim that the current gov't has failed, and to take of "for the good of the people". Right now, very few Chinese would believe or support such a claim.
 
I'd consider it very highly unlikely. The vast majority of Chinese are quite content with the direction China's going right now, and the last thing they want is the instability that a civil war would bring about. The only danger would be in a military coup, and I don't believe that the hard-liners are organized enough or in a position to rally enough of the military to support them at this time.

Another major differance is that both Yugoslavia and Iraq were/are primarily ethnic conflicts with religious undertones, which isn't really much of a factor in China. It is (remotely) possible that an ethnic group will try to break away, but that would be akin to Chechnya.

That being said, it could lead to significant changes in the government, if this gives them an opportunity to root out some of the hard-liners. There are leaders in the gov't who want more rapid and progressive change, but have been held back by the military threat from hard-liners.

It's something of a paradox that one group needs to be removed in order to push democracy of all things forward. I just hope it will remain a paradox and not turn into unintended sarcasm (resuling in present moderates, having eliminated their opposition, becoming the new hardliners), if it happens.

McHrozni
 
It is (remotely) possible that an ethnic group will try to break away, but that would be akin to Chechnya.
That's pretty much what's happening in Xinjiang province, with the Uigher minority...a Muslim minority who want to create an independent Muslim state. It remains probably the most violent area of China, with terrorists who've been trained in Taliban camps. There are periodic breakouts of violence where the gov't has to crack down quite hard. Part of it is, undeniably, the gov't's fault...but a significant part of the blame lays equally with the Muslim extremists there.

But 'separation' isn't really an option, even were the gov't inclined to accept such an option...the Uighers are only one of several minorities who live in the same region, and none of the others are Muslim. They're just as opposed to separation/independence as the gov't is.
 
That's pretty much what's happening in Xinjiang province, with the Uigher minority...a Muslim minority who want to create an independent Muslim state. It remains probably the most violent area of China, with terrorists who've been trained in Taliban camps. There are periodic breakouts of violence where the gov't has to crack down quite hard. Part of it is, undeniably, the gov't's fault...but a significant part of the blame lays equally with the Muslim extremists there.

Do you have any idea whether or not they have any significant support among Uighurs, or are they supported only by a small minority of muslim fanatics?

But 'separation' isn't really an option, even were the gov't inclined to accept such an option...the Uighers are only one of several minorities who live in the same region, and none of the others are Muslim. They're just as opposed to separation/independence as the gov't is.

I can't say I blame them, I'd rather live under Chinese government than in an Islamic state too :)

McHrozni
 
This is purely speculation...but it fits with the relatively few confirmed facts that are available to us right now. Hopefully, more news will be released in future, once the gov't feels it has everything under control, and then we can see how close my guesses are to reality.

Do you expect the final version of events given by the government to match reality?
 
Do you have any idea whether or not they have any significant support among Uighurs, or are they supported only by a small minority of muslim fanatics?
This is only anecdote, but I used to work with a muslim Uighur, and his opinion of the separatists was (and I paraphrase), "They're a bunch of freaking nutters!"
 
Do you have any idea whether or not they have any significant support among Uighurs, or are they supported only by a small minority of muslim fanatics?
This is only anecdote, but I used to work with a muslim Uighur, and his opinion of the separatists was (and I paraphrase), "They're a bunch of freaking nutters!"
It's complicated. The majority of Uighers don't want independence, but they do want greater autonomy. In particular, they want the ability to choose their own leaders from among themselves, rather than have Han Chinese leaders appointed from Beijing. This would be a desire shared by a fair number of ethnic minorities in China.

They do not support the terrorists at all, and as wollery said, consider then dangerous and crazy, more harmful to the cause than helpful. However...they will still protect them, because of shared heritage. And if attacked by Han Chinese, will still act to defend them. Their attitude will tend to be, "What the terrorists are doing is wrong, and we don't support it. However, their actions are because of the Chinese gov't's policies, and if we had greater autonomy, and our own leaders, we'd be able to deal with them internally, rather than having you damn Han Chinese marching in and creating more violence."

Do you expect the final version of events given by the government to match reality?
Not entirely, no...I but do expect that there will be more information on which to base conclusions than what we have at present.
 
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Huh, I learned about this from a LGBT blog, which linked to this BBC article:

Chinese police have arrested six people and shut 16 websites after rumours were spread that military vehicles were on the streets of Beijing, officials say.

Linky.

Very interesting.
 
Huh, I learned about this from a LGBT blog, which linked to this BBC article:

Linky.

Very interesting.
No military vehicles on the streets of Beijing, I can state this quite authoritatively, having friends who live in that area, and outside of an increased police presence, have seen nothing else.

Part of the reason cited for arresting these people is that they are spreading false information...and while I don't necessarily agree with arresting them, it does seem very much that they are fueling unnecessary panic.
 
No military vehicles on the streets of Beijing, I can state this quite authoritatively, having friends who live in that area, and outside of an increased police presence, have seen nothing else.

Isn't Beijing a rather big place?
 
Isn't Beijing a rather big place?
Yes, but the supposed 'coup' occurred in a very specific area of Beijing, in the center of the city (close to Tiananmen Square, the Forbidden City, etc.). Were there actually military vehicles being deployed there (which is what the bloggers and websites in question were claiming), not only would it be noticeable to people who lived there, but western media -- who are largely based in exactly the same area -- would certainly be reporting it.

Is it possible that there are military vehicles being deployed somewhere in Beijing where foreigners aren't noticing it? I guess so. But since the claim being made by the individuals in question is that the vehicles are in/around Zhongnanhai, that's a largely irrelevant issue (and something that nobody seems to be laying claim to).
 
It's complicated. The majority of Uighers don't want independence, but they do want greater autonomy. In particular, they want the ability to choose their own leaders from among themselves, rather than have Han Chinese leaders appointed from Beijing. This would be a desire shared by a fair number of ethnic minorities in China.

They do not support the terrorists at all, and as wollery said, consider then dangerous and crazy, more harmful to the cause than helpful. However...they will still protect them, because of shared heritage. And if attacked by Han Chinese, will still act to defend them. Their attitude will tend to be, "What the terrorists are doing is wrong, and we don't support it. However, their actions are because of the Chinese gov't's policies, and if we had greater autonomy, and our own leaders, we'd be able to deal with them internally, rather than having you damn Han Chinese marching in and creating more violence."

Aha, so we can't say that there is something resembling Chechnya there. The upside is that a full-blown rebellion is thus less likely, the downside is that a few nutters have pulled off major attacks in the past, and are more likely to go for soft targets with significant impact.

Yes, but the supposed 'coup' occurred in a very specific area of Beijing, in the center of the city (close to Tiananmen Square, the Forbidden City, etc.). Were there actually military vehicles being deployed there (which is what the bloggers and websites in question were claiming), not only would it be noticeable to people who lived there, but western media -- who are largely based in exactly the same area -- would certainly be reporting it.

I seem to remember a CNN article from a week ago or so, that reported on the claims, and wrote that the evidence for it just isn't there. It said images showed either past events, parades, or just normal redeployment of military vehicles and such. I can't find it right now though.


McHrozni
 

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