Atheists destroy churches, attack the faithful

How you think is immaterial. May I suggest a strongly worded letter to The Times. And Mr.Xi.

Because China has always been a bastion of fair and free values. I wonder what changed?

Where were you during the Cultural Revolution?
 
The Big Dog said:
Cool! We are off the "mandate" part.

Now we are on to "how you think beliefs work?" Because how TBD thinks they work is "TEH KEY!"

as opposed to, oh I dunno, asking how the Chinese think it works, and how they think it works is that they make people renounce their faith, blow up their churches, restrict their ability to use the internet and put them in reeducation camps.

Oh and they kill tens of thousands of Falun Gong.
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Well, if you are going to call a man an atheist because his political leader says that he should be an atheist, then yes, that seems to be an issue particular to you.

I'm not defending the Chinese actions. I am questioning why you are so stuck on calling the people committing those actions atheist when most evidence points to the Chinese culture being run through with various religious beliefs.

As much as you are aghast that you think we are ignoring the clearly atheist cause of these atrocities, we are completely aware that you will never acknowledge the authoritarian roots of these atrocities. Roots that your president has admired jealously.
 
Dr. Keith said:
Well, if you are going to call a man an atheist because his political leader says that he should be an atheist, then yes, that seems to be an issue particular to you.

I'm not defending the Chinese actions. I am questioning why you are so stuck on calling the people committing those actions atheist when most evidence points to the Chinese culture being run through with various religious beliefs.

As much as you are aghast that you think we are ignoring the clearly atheist cause of these atrocities, we are completely aware that you will never acknowledge the authoritarian roots of these atrocities. Roots that your president has admired jealously.
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HI! Chinese Culture is not doing this, Xi and the party hacks in the CCP are.

And as much as you are aghast that i am focusing on the clearly atheist cause of these atrocities, trying to limit the focus to "authoritarian roots" does not in any way, shape or form, and has not, does not, and will never contradict what I have just explained.

atheism and authoritarianism are not mutually exclusive, particularly not in countries like China, indeed where the authoritarian structure is imbued with atheism which is why in this case the authoritarians are attacking religious organizations.
 
The Big Dog said:
Cool! We are off the "mandate" part.

Now we are on to "how you think beliefs work?" Because how TBD thinks they work is "TEH KEY!"

as opposed to, oh I dunno, asking how the Chinese think it works, and how they think it works is that they make people renounce their faith, blow up their churches, restrict their ability to use the internet and put them in reeducation camps.

Oh and they kill tens of thousands of Falun Gong.
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How you reconcile that the Chinese authorities appoint Christians to be Bishops, and that the Vatican often confirms that they are indeed Bishops in the Roman Catholic Church with your belief about being forced to be an atheist?
 
Darat said:
How you reconcile that the Chinese authorities appoint Christians to be Bishops, and that the Vatican often confirms that they are indeed Bishops in the Roman Catholic Church with your belief about being forced to be an atheist?
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The same way I reconcile John Mccain signing a confession that he was war criminal while in the Hanoi Hilton.

By the way, is there really some confusion that the Chinese are forcing people to renounce their faith??

I have posted several articles on this exact point.
 
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The Big Dog said:
"slandering"... Hoo boy

"Marxist Atheists put Muslims in cages and demand that they denounce their religion."

And you suggest that suggesting that Atheism had something to do with it is 'slander"?
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Yes. Slander, or faulty thinking. These are the only two choices. This is a point you either refuse to understand, or cannot. Either way, oh boy. No surprise, given.
 
Hlafordlaes said:
Yes. Slander, or faulty thinking. These are the only two choices. This is a point you either refuse to understand, or cannot. Either way, oh boy. No surprise, given.
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anyone else find a false dichotomy that include the phrase "faulty thinking" as an option deliciously ironic?

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The Big Dog said:
Yeah, literally no chance of anyone conceding an inch of ground when the best argument is that the Marxist atheist crackdown is limited to dissident groups.
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I don't think anyone supports China cracking down on any groups, but the huge and obvious flaw in your argument is to emphasize the Chinese government as atheist rather than Marxist and totalitarian.
 
Mycroft said:
I don't think anyone supports China cracking down on any groups, but the huge and obvious flaw in your argument is to emphasize the Chinese government as atheist rather than Marxist and totalitarian.
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Since it's running a capitalist country, it would be weird to call it Marxist.
 
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Mycroft said:
I don't think anyone supports China cracking down on any groups, but the huge and obvious flaw in your argument is to emphasize the Chinese government as atheist rather than Marxist and totalitarian.
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I pointed out "the huge and obvious flaw" in your argument.
 
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The Big Dog said:
The same way I reconcile John Mccain signing a confession that he was war criminal while in the Hanoi Hilton.

By the way, is there really some confusion that the Chinese are forcing people to renounce their faith??

I have posted several articles on this exact point.
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That's a sidestep of the question I was asking.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
China is actively supporting Confucianism, going so far as to finance over a thousand institutes worldwide to spread its message.
Calling a government Atheist that spends tax dollars to spread religion doesn't sound reasonable to me.
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Reason ran out of the thread screaming from the first post.
 
BStrong said:
Reason ran out of the thread screaming from the first post.
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well, I can certainly understand why you feel that way, because you just quoted a post that makes zero sense, and if one used reason, one would instantly see why.
 
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