Atheists destroy churches, attack the faithful

Norman Alexander said:
He's picked the result he wants. Now all he is doing is a desperate search for square evidence he can hammer into a round hole to back it up.
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My concern is that in directing his ire against atheists, he is ignoring and dismissing the real threat to people - which is totalitarian cultural imperialism.

Perhaps because he knows that the Catholic Church has engaged in this practice for centuries.
 
arthwollipot said:
My concern is that in directing his ire against atheists, he is ignoring and dismissing the real threat to people - which is totalitarian cultural imperialism.

Perhaps because he knows that the Catholic Church has engaged in this practice for centuries.
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True.

What he seems not to understand is that many people would agree with him on unacceptable overbearing politics and methods of the Chinese Communist Party (and Leninist Communism, and Maoist Communism, and Vietnamese Socialism, and Kim Socialism, etc.) Just that he has made it about atheism only. That's about as relevant to the topic as the colour of the suits the Kommisars wear, i.e. mostly brown. Are we now down on brown suits too?
 
The Big Dog said:
Inserted by the Washington Post as part of their dastardly plan to criticize Atheism?

Fascinating theory, and so appropriate for 9/11 because it is the "truth."

"Join one of the officially registered churches that are "loyal" to the party and you're fine, they're cracking down on the unregistered churches which strongly implies its not a belief in god they take issue with but loyalty to god over party."



Hmm, it appears that they are cracking down on officially registered churches which strongly implies it is belief in god they take issue with AND loyalty to god over party.

Well argued.
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The Bishop I quoted disagrees with you.
 
sylvan8798 said:
What I’m “following” is your refusal to respond to anyone else’s points while running about like a 4-year-old with your fingers in your ears yelling “la, la, la, la, LA, I can’t hear you.”
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It is typical of Christian fanaticism that it never answers to hard objections. When he is in front of an insurmountable difficulty the fanatic Christian comes back to his mantra-refuge.

Chinese government’s persecution against some Christian sects is due to atheism or repressive politics.
If the Chinese government’s persecution against this Christian sect was due to atheism no religion would be tolerated in China.
The Chinese government doesn’t persecute some religions.
The Chinese government persecutes other social movements that are not religious.
Then, Chinese government’s attacks against some Christian sects are not due to its atheism, but to its repressive politics.

I have not seen that the Big Dog can answer this strong objection to his routine mantra about atheism and communism.
 
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Clearly China is doing something wrong here. What are you proposing we do in response? Raise tariffs on iPhones? Stop the import of Fords made in China? Praise their leader as a great strong man? Continue to support politicians who think it is none of our business what China does to their own people?
 
Christians in China have it easy, compared to Muslims or Tibetan Buddhists.
The crackdown on religion is a rational preemptive measure to avoid a Chechnya situation.

It's amazing how slow ISIS and Co. is in catching up to the reality that China is a far greater danger to The Faith than the West.
But I have little doubt that it will.
 
It strikes me that if someone were really concerned about freedom of religion and expression that they might also mention what the PRC has been doing to Uighurs and in Tibet.
 
And to the civil rights of Winnie the Pooh


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Norman Alexander said:
Stop whipping yourself. It isn't good for you, or us to watch.
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I burst out laughing. Say folks he bolded the word Marxist, so no one would notice the word ATHEIST, as in be a "firm Marxist atheists"

Hey look I bolded it and made it bigger because ATHEISTS just like it explains in detail in the article I linked and which predictably everyone ignored.

arthwollipot said:
Yup. Utterly predictable response. Atheism really is the boogeyman to you, isn't it? Why do you feel so threatened by it?
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Quoting to the Diplomat was utterly predictable? You mean you predicted the article that totally destroyed your argument and that you completely ignored.

Fascinating! Say, how about this part, did you predict this too?

Academia, in the past, tended to use the term “sinicization” to describe local adoption of religions imported from foreign regions. Buddhism in particular gradually integrated into the Chinese culture through a long history and finally been accepted as a Chinese religion.

Yet the term gained a new political meaning in 2016. In late April, 2016, Xi presided over a working conference on national religious affairs, making him the first Chinese president to do so in over ten years. The last time a president personally attended such a conference was in 2001, when then-President Jiang Zemin decided to crack down on “cults” after the Tiananmen Square self-immolation incident related to Fanlun Gong. Xi’s attendance at the conference significantly raised the importance of religious affairs on the CCP’s agenda. During the conference, Xi demanded that China should “actively guide religions to adapt to the socialist society.”
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FIRM MARXIST ATHEISTS
Oh look, I highlighted the noun!
 
dudalb said:
Big Dog's opinion might be totally silly, but he has a right to them..and to practice them (so wrong as he does not interfere with other people's rights)
without the government harassing him.
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You are quite correct and I do completely agree with you.
 
The Big Dog said:
I burst out laughing. Say folks he bolded the word Marxist, so no one would notice the word ATHEIST, as in be a "firm Marxist atheists"
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Yes, when in fact ATHEISTS is the noun, and big, and in RED! Psst! Don't they know grammar? Don't they know colour coding?


Like when you loaded the thread title with your hate speech: Atheists destroy churches, attack the faithful


They must be white, and you know, the Son of Sam was white :jaw-dropp.



Just saying...
 
Hate Speech.

We are in a thread about the official atheist Nation of China deliberately persecuting millions of people and pointing this out is

Hate Speech.

My concern is that in directing ire against me, atheists are ignoring and dismissing the real threat to people - which is totalitarian cultural Atheism.
 
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US May Make Rare Move Against Atheist China

President Trump has been quick to go after China on trade issues, but the New York Times reports his administration is poised to penalize Beijing on a human rights issue for perhaps the first time. The administration is considering sanctions in response to China's crackdown on minority Muslims, specifically ethnic Uighurs, in the name of national security.
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http://www.newser.com/story/264468/us-may-make-rare-move-against-china.html

The fact that it is spreading and impacting more religious is all the more reason to do so because of the religious human rights catastrophe in China caused by the Sinicization strategy adopted in 2016 to make Chinese and those under its thumb "Firm marxist Atheists."
 
As Dr. Keith said, something must be done... Any comments OP?
Dr. Keith said:
Clearly China is doing something wrong here. What are you proposing we do in response? Raise tariffs on iPhones? Stop the import of Fords made in China? Praise their leader as a great strong man? Continue to support politicians who think it is none of our business what China does to their own people?
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The Big Dog said:
Hate Speech.

We are in a thread about the official atheist Nation of China deliberately persecuting millions of people and pointing this out is

Hate Speech.

My concern is that in directing ire against me, atheists are ignoring and dismissing the real threat to people - which is totalitarian cultural Atheism.
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The vast majority of Chinese people are religious, it is a deeply religious country, it would be extraordinary that any group involved in the terrible persecution mentioned in this thread would be all atheists.

The state is atheist in China, as the USA state is atheist. In some countries the state is religious for example the UK, yet as you know people labeling themselves as religious in the UK Declines year on year. What the state religious "status" is does not necessarily reflect the religious or non religious beliefs of the people that make up the nation.
 
Porpoise of Life said:
As Dr. Keith said, something must be done... Any comments OP?
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I think we are all supposed to complain to our local atheist bishops and hope that they can prevail on the atheist pope to condemn our atheist brethren in China. I for one will bring this up at the golf course on Sunday.
 
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