Atheists destroy churches, attack the faithful

The Big Dog said:
Well that is two votes for thinking "think that this is characteristic of atheism rather than an activity of the totalitarian government of China is even more appalling" is worse than interning a million Muslims and destroying churches and forced conversions.

I did not even think there would be one, but priorities, huh folks.

Although going full Godwin in response to an article about putting religious people in internment camps, also more than a bit of surprise.

The contention that forced conversions giving up a faith by a Officially Atheist country is not about Atheism is the single most absurd thing I have seen in a long while.
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Where is that stated by the Chinese state?
 
The Big Dog said:
The contention that forced conversions giving up a faith by a Officially Atheist country is not about Atheism is the single most absurd thing I have seen in a long while.
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The constitution permits what is called "normal religious activities," so long as they do not involve the use of religion to "engage in activities that disrupt social order, impair the health of citizens or interfere with the educational system of the state. Religious organizations and religious affairs are not subject to any foreign dominance." (Art. 36) From Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_atheism#China
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Once again:

The Chinese government main concern it is not atheism but the preservation ot the political system that they call "communism". A policial system in any case.

Where the absurdity is?
 
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ahhell said:
Well, there's clearly no point but.....

The word atheist was inserted by the writer, its really not significant to the story. Join one of the officially registered churches that are "loyal" to the party and you're fine, they're cracking down on the unregistered churches which strongly implies its not a belief in god they take issue with but loyalty to god over party. Terrible and authoritarian but it doesn't exactly support your narrative.
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Inserted by the Washington Post as part of their dastardly plan to criticize Atheism?

Fascinating theory, and so appropriate for 9/11 because it is the "truth."

"Join one of the officially registered churches that are "loyal" to the party and you're fine, they're cracking down on the unregistered churches which strongly implies its not a belief in god they take issue with but loyalty to god over party."

All of China’s officially recognised religions appear to have been affected by the crackdown. In the northwestern region of Xinjiang, an estimated 1 million Uighurs and other members of Muslim minority groups have been arbitrarily detained in indoctrination camps where they are forced to denounce Islam and profess loyalty to the party.
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Hmm, it appears that they are cracking down on officially registered churches which strongly implies it is belief in god they take issue with AND loyalty to god over party.

Well argued.
 
That's right! And there's more to come! Us Atheists will not stop until we have destroyed all of Religion and their stupid songs, churches and books HAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
 
The Big Dog said:
Oh it’s an attack by atheists on not just Christians, but Muslims too. And while I appreciate a good whataboutism, since the beginning of the 20th century the overwhelming number of pogroms have been by atheist states like China and the USSR. Indeed some would say that Atheists have industrialized it.
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Well, those athiests have certainly industrialized the construction of enormous statues of Buddha.

8 Giant Buddha Statues in China

Note that many were built in the 1990's, the sites still get improvements - these are not just ancient statues that managed to survive.

The government of China should not destroy Christian or Muslim religious things. They should not suppress Tibetan versions of Buddhism.

But they do these things not because they are atheists, but because they view the "wrong" sorts of religions as foreign or subversive influences. Basic Han Buddhism is not seen as a threat and is not suppressed in the least. Far from it, it seems to get a bit of promotion.
 
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The Big Dog said:
aleCcowaN said:
That pretty much says it all. But I'm sure TBD will manage to squirm at least a dozen of pages from it, not that it'll make much sense, but with the classical structure "the OP is twisted into a piece of propaganda" and the rest of the thread tries to manipulate everyone into believing "how rightfully the content of that piece of propaganda was denounced". Göbbels here, Göbbels there, Göbbels everywhere.
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Well that is two votes for thinking "think that this is characteristic of atheism rather than an activity of the totalitarian government of China is even more appalling" is worse than interning a million Muslims and destroying churches and forced conversions.

I did not even think there would be one, but priorities, huh folks.

Although going full Godwin in response to an article about putting religious people in internment camps, also more than a bit of surprise.

The contention that forced conversions giving up a faith by a Officially Atheist country is not about Atheism is the single most absurd thing I have seen in a long while.
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The Big Dog said:
Inserted by the Washington Post as part of their dastardly plan to criticize Atheism?

Fascinating theory, and so appropriate for 9/11 because it is the "truth."

"Join one of the officially registered churches that are "loyal" to the party and you're fine, they're cracking down on the unregistered churches which strongly implies its not a belief in god they take issue with but loyalty to god over party."



Hmm, it appears that they are cracking down on officially registered churches which strongly implies it is belief in god they take issue with AND loyalty to god over party.

Well argued.
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You should be bitching at your god since your god is so very terrible at protecting his own worshipers.
 
Crossbow said:
You should be bitching at your god since your god is so very terrible at protecting his own worshipers.
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well score one for the Atheists then huh?

However, and although I cannot speak for the Muslims and other faiths that the Atheist Chinese State is oppressing, at least some Christians would disagree with your... comment.

10 Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.

12 Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.

Matthew Chapter 5 v. 10-12
 
About that evil atheist in charge of this church destruction, would you vote for someone who supported him?

"He's now president for life. President for life. No, he's great," Trump said. "And look, he was able to do that. I think it's great. Maybe we'll have to give that a shot some day."
 
But in Trump's, case I can't imagine that it'll be very long ...
 
The Big Dog said:
12 Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.
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You actually do believe that you'll get pie in the sky when you die!
 
The Big Dog said:
My bias? I am simply quoting the article and your post where you said that Thinking "that this is characteristic of atheism rather than an activity of the totalitarian government of China" is MORE appalling than destroying the Churches and interning a million people.

And doing it in the name of Atheism Communism.
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FIFY
 
The Big Dog said:
well score one for the Atheists then huh?

However, and although I cannot speak for the Muslims and other faiths that the Atheist Chinese State is oppressing, at least some Christians would disagree with your... comment.

10 Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.

12 Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.

Matthew Chapter 5 v. 10-12
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So in other words, these atheists of yours which you are so very terribly incensed about, are actually doing the work of your god by persecuting those who worship your god.

If this is the case, then you should lionize both the atheists and the theists since both groups are doing the work of your god.

Once again, your logic is truly stunning.
 
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