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Atheists destroy churches, attack the faithful

Meadmaker said:
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First, there are a lot of people on this board who act like the United States is a Christian theocracy where non-Christians, especially atheists, are a persecuted minority. That's bunk. ...
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Riiight,

Christian legislators opposing abortion, anything non-hetero, trying to force the teaching of Creationism in public schools as valid science, claiming evolution is not settled science, claiming there is no global warming problem because man cannot destroy God's creation, ....

Nothing to worry about there. :rolleyes:
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
Riiight,

Christian legislators opposing abortion, anything non-hetero, trying to force the teaching of Creationism in public schools as valid science, claiming evolution is not settled science, claiming there is no global warming problem because man cannot destroy God's creation, ....

Nothing to worry about there. :rolleyes:
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That's not "real theocracy" because they aren't jailing and killing non-christians.........
 
The Big Dog said:
Cool! I notice that other fella said it didn’t appear in the article, but while I enjoy reading articles, I direct your attention to the linked article in the op. Let’s take a gander.

“The campaign corresponds with a drive to “Sinicize” religion by demanding loyalty to the officially atheist Communist Party and eliminating any challenge to its power over people’s lives.”

There is that officially atheist word we were searching for!
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If you read correctly what you copy we would not waste our time.

The campaign of Chinese government is aimed to “sinisizing” religion. That is to say not to destroy all religion.

A few lines later we can read:
“Chinese law requires religious believers to worship only in congregations registered with the authorities”.
This is to say. Religion in itself it is not forbidden by the “atheist” Chinese government. Only controlled.

This is to say, what you present here as an “atheist” attack against religion is actually a political measure in order to control possible dissidences. You can claim against this attack against freedom of cult —in other hand, very frequent in theocratic countries that are not atheists— but this is a political violation of rights not intrinsically linked of the atheism.

You should select better your sources and learn to read a little better.

Anyway, thank you for making the atheists of this forum agree.
 
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Ah yes. The Chinese government wants a state approved religion and are nominally althiests. In TBD world this means all athiests are bad.

In the same way that since some Catholic priests raped children, all Catholics are Pedophiles. Thanks TBD for agreeing that Catholics are Pedophiles.
 
arthwollipot said:
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Like the Soviets, the goal of China is not to destroy religion, it is to assimilate it and use it as a tool of the state.
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Indeed people don't seem to be aware that in China the state appoints the Bishops:

https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/...d-bishops-support-xi-vatican-china-deal-84489

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Bishop Fang said Catholics should support President Xi Jinping “because we, as citizens of the country, should first be a citizen and then have religion and beliefs," in a Chinese media interview at the congressional meeting.

Fang, who was ordained a bishop in Beijing in 2000 without Vatican approval and then legitimized by the Holy See two years later,

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The Chinese state is absolutely fine with religion as long as it conforms to their views of its place in the world i.e. sinicize
 
Why do you guys even try?
And I don't mean that OP will say just about anything as long as it riles up his 'enemies', and that he doesn't care about facts or discussing things in good faith...

I mean that he's obviously correct!
Rejoice, we're winning. When the last Buddhist baby is strangled with the guts of the last Christian grandma, and the pyramid of Muslim skulls reaches the heavens, our atheist utopia will be upon us!
Praise be to the Un-God, may non-He not drink of the blood of the infidels because he's obviously not real!
 
smartcooky said:
And in case you didn't know (and you obviously didn't) it ain't just Christians that the totalitarian Chinese government targets. Do a little reading on Tibetan Buddhists, and Falun Dafa.
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TBD is aware of that, he quotes the campaign against Muslims in the 4th post in the thread and explicitly mentions non-Christians in a follow up post: "..You think that they are putting a million Muslims in re-education camps because of that..." (formatting added)
 
That sure is a weird kind of atheism. One that actually proscribes religion:

But I've also seen how religion is tightly proscribed.

Only five religious groups are allowed to exist in China: Buddhism, Daoism, Islam, Protestantism and Catholicism. The government controls the appointment of major religious figures, and decides where places of worship can be built. It tries to influence theology and limits contacts overseas. And it bans groups it doesn't like, especially the spiritual practice Falun Gong, or groups it calls cults, like the charismatic Christian splinter sect Almighty God.
Focusing on religious oppression in China misses the big picture (CNN, March 1, 2017)
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The Big Dog said:
I did, it is in the linked article. Not only that it requires the faithful to renounce their religion and they have interned a million Muslims.

Is the link not working?
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No, it's not, since it's behind a paywall. I don't need to read it anyway, as your cherry-picked quote reveals your bias, and this news isn't new to me.

Wait just a minute while I check with the Atheist Pope to see what the International Atheists plan to do. I think conscription into the Atheist Army may be next. Or maybe we should be praying to the Atheist God for action.
 
Porpoise of Life said:
Why do you guys even try?
And I don't mean that OP will say just about anything as long as it riles up his 'enemies', and that he doesn't care about facts or discussing things in good faith...

I mean that he's obviously correct!
Rejoice, we're winning. When the last Buddhist baby is strangled with the guts of the last Christian grandma, and the pyramid of Muslim skulls reaches the heavens, our atheist utopia will be upon us!
Praise be to the Un-God, may non-He not drink of the blood of the infidels because he's obviously not real!
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Lol!:D
 
Sherman Bay said:
I think conscription into the Atheist Army may be next. Or maybe we should be praying to the Atheist God for action.
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I know of at least one atheist who has been deified:
Che Guevara in religion (Wikipedia)
I think that he would neither approve nor be flattered ...
"But Che knew there was no God and that after his death nothing remains."
 
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arthwollipot said:
Yeah, it is. But the idea that you think that this is characteristic of atheism rather than an activity of the totalitarian government of China is even more appalling.
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That pretty much says it all. But I'm sure TBD will manage to squirm at least a dozen of pages from it, not that it'll make much sense, but with the classical structure "the OP is twisted into a piece of propaganda" and the rest of the thread tries to manipulate everyone into believing "how rightfully the content of that piece of propaganda was denounced". Göbbels here, Göbbels there, Göbbels everywhere.
 
aleCcowaN said:
That pretty much says it all. But I'm sure TBD will manage to squirm at least a dozen of pages from it, not that it'll make much sense, but with the classical structure "the OP is twisted into a piece of propaganda" and the rest of the thread tries to manipulate everyone into believing "how rightfully the content of that piece of propaganda was denounced". Göbbels here, Göbbels there, Göbbels everywhere.
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Well that is two votes for thinking "think that this is characteristic of atheism rather than an activity of the totalitarian government of China is even more appalling" is worse than interning a million Muslims and destroying churches and forced conversions.

I did not even think there would be one, but priorities, huh folks.

Although going full Godwin in response to an article about putting religious people in internment camps, also more than a bit of surprise.

The contention that forced conversions giving up a faith by a Officially Atheist country is not about Atheism is the single most absurd thing I have seen in a long while.
 
The Big Dog said:
Cool! I notice that other fella said it didn’t appear in the article, but while I enjoy reading articles, I direct your attention to the linked article in the op. Let’s take a gander.

“The campaign corresponds with a drive to “Sinicize” religion by demanding loyalty to the officially atheist Communist Party and eliminating any challenge to its power over people’s lives.”

There is that officially atheist word we were searching for!
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Well, there's clearly no point but.....

The word atheist was inserted by the writer, its really not significant to the story. Join one of the officially registered churches that are "loyal" to the party and you're fine, they're cracking down on the unregistered churches which strongly implies its not a belief in god they take issue with but loyalty to god over party. Terrible and authoritarian but it doesn't exactly support your narrative.
 
ahhell said:
Well, there's clearly no point but.....

The word atheist was inserted by the writer, its really not significant to the story. Join one of the officially registered churches that are "loyal" to the party and you're fine, they're cracking down on the unregistered churches which strongly implies its not a belief in god they take issue with but loyalty to god over party. Terrible and authoritarian but it doesn't exactly support your narrative.
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Which is what the Chinese Bishop appointed by the Chinese government and the Vatican says.
 
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