Atheists destroy churches, attack the faithful

Dr. Keith said:
Then why didn't you start that thread instead of this one?

You do see that your OP had everything to do with the direction of the thread, don't you?
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If you thought it occurred to me that posters were going to come in here figuratively cast themselves as victims, I can assure you that the thought never crossed my mind and indeed I stand in amazement not only at the posts doing so but none of their fellow travelers have told them to knock it off.
 
The Big Dog said:
If you thought it occurred to me that posters were going to come in here figuratively cast themselves as victims, I can assure you that the thought never crossed my mind and indeed I stand in amazement not only at the posts doing so but none of their fellow travelers have told them to knock it off.
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But still, if you wanted to discuss the actual pogrom then why did you make it all about atheism from the start? You chose the path, don't sit back and bitch about the bumpy ride.
 
Dr. Keith said:
But still, if you wanted to discuss the actual pogrom then why did you make it all about atheism from the start? You chose the path, don't sit back and bitch about the bumpy ride.
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Because it.... was about atheism. All, maybe not, but for Pete’s sake make the case without... checks posts... what about Catholics, and some other next level derails

And even if it wasn’t (it was) the dearth of arguments responding in a reasonable sensible manner show that it was.

I remain hopeful that the grossly misplaced posts claiming that atheists are the victims here are done. In fact, if you want to discuss it amongst yourselves, I would be happy to step out for a while.
 
Give it up. dawg.
It's not about Atheism, it is, always was and always will be, about power.
Sometimes, you get a religion to back you, sometimes you can use the religion as the target to rally your side.
 
The Big Dog said:
Because it.... was about atheism. All, maybe not, but for Pete’s sake make the case without... checks posts... what about Catholics, and some other next level derails

And even if it wasn’t (it was) the dearth of arguments responding in a reasonable sensible manner show that it was.

I remain hopeful that the grossly misplaced posts claiming that atheists are the victims here are done. In fact, if you want to discuss it amongst yourselves, I would be happy to step out for a while.
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So, you never really wanted to discuss the actual pogrom. Just the atheism.

So you got a discussion of atheism. Not the actual pogrom.

Congratulations!
 
The Great Zaganza said:
Give it up. dawg.
It's not about Atheism, it is, always was and always will be, about power.
Sometimes, you get a religion to back you, sometimes you can use the religion as the target to rally your side.
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You see folks, I have explained this a half dozen times. At least.

Assume it was about “power”. (Some people would think that the power gives the people the ability to enforce their goals, like state enforced atheism)

But I have explained that there can be concurrent causes, an actual well reasoned position that has been ignored, again.

Oy vey, the black or white false dichotomy in this thread from the apologists
 
Dr. Keith said:
So, you never really wanted to discuss the actual pogrom. Just the atheism.

So you got a discussion of atheism. Not the actual pogrom.

Congratulations!
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Ohhh, rule of so, followed by, oddly enough, a lie.

I didn’t get a discussion of atheism, I got hysterical hyperbole that my posts were “hate speech” and other unabashed nonsense
 
The Big Dog said:
Ohhh, rule of so, followed by, oddly enough, a lie.

I didn’t get a discussion of atheism, I got hysterical hyperbole that my posts were “hate speech” and other unabashed nonsense
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You didn't get hysterical posts. Instead you got the facts about the stuff that you obviously didn't have the slightest clue about, the alleged "Atheist Bible," for instance:
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=12427773#post12427773
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=12428412#post12428412

You thought that it is actually atheist, and I showed you that it isn't about religion and atheism at all. It contains examples of Marx' compassion for the victims of church burnings and the Catholic (!) monks evicted from their monasteries.
How can you be so ungrateful and unappreciative as to simply dismiss this attempt at teaching you about reality as "hysterical hyperbole"?!
If you are in any way representative of what characterizes Catholicism, it makes me appreciate so much more that I was only baptized as a Roman Catholic and never raised as one.

The Big Dog said:
I hope someday I will meet someone who looks at me like Dann looks at Karl Marx.
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You mean somebody who takes a serious look at what you're saying and tries to distinguish between, for instance, passionate youthful pompousness and profound insights into political economy?
You already met me in this thread, but my look at you showed me neither youthful passion nor any profound insights. You showed me nothing but stubborn denialism. And I'm sorry, but however much I pity you, I can't help you open your eyes to the real world. That is something only you can do.
 
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The Big Dog said:
You see folks, I have explained this a half dozen times. At least.

Assume it was about “power”. (Some people would think that the power gives the people the ability to enforce their goals, like state enforced atheism)

But I have explained that there can be concurrent causes, an actual well reasoned position that has been ignored, again.

Oy vey, the black or white false dichotomy in this thread from the apologists
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You have not explained anything. In a debate you explain something by answering objections. You have avoided the answers dozens of times.If you want to establish that there are "concurrent causes" you should analyze whether the separate factors produce the same effects. You have repeatedly refused to do so on the grounds that the other cases of atheism were an attempt to justify atheism. That is why you did not explain anything, but intended to prevent any serious analysis of the issue.
 
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The Big Dog said:
You see folks, I have explained this a half dozen times. At least.

Assume it was about “power”. (Some people would think that the power gives the people the ability to enforce their goals, like state enforced atheism)

But I have explained that there can be concurrent causes, an actual well reasoned position that has been ignored, again.

Oy vey, the black or white false dichotomy in this thread from the apologists
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I could make a list of all the 'hoo boy's, 'hee hee hee's, 'k's and 'oy vey's you have thrown about this thread, but that would be unproductive.
Instead, I have two requests:
1. Please link to any of your posts that you consider contain an 'actual well-reasoned position', along with an absence of the snarky stuff I've quoted above.
2. You have yet to respond in any substantive or productive way to most of my points. Care to rectify that situation? It is churlish to complain that your arguments have been ignored whilst you do exactly the same to others.
Love thy neighbour, TBD. A piece of advice you may have read somewhere. Worth thinking about.
 
Since Trump is undeniably an Atheist (unless you count him considering himself to be God), it's surprising how much TBD is bashing on anyone but him.
 
The Big Dog said:
Ohhh, rule of so, followed by, oddly enough, a lie.

I didn’t get a discussion of atheism, I got hysterical hyperbole that my posts were “hate speech” and other unabashed nonsense
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If you actually cared about human rights, then you would at least have an honest reason to be so terribly aggrieved.
 
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