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qwints said:
I think this is the crux of the discussion. What do you mean by racism not existing or not being real?
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I've run into social justice enthusiasts in the past who were using a highly counterintuitive and non-standard definition of racism, under which a person who is genuinely, utterly indifferent to a person's race is still somehow racist.

You're not doing that, are you?
 
Stout said:
Setar [...] had social anxiety disorder[...]
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The question about this, as far as I'm concerned, is is that a social anxiety disorder as diagnosed by a medical professional, or as he himself has decided he has? And what treatment has he undergone for it?
 
Stout said:
Setar is genderqueer, I don't really know in what capacity though, had social anxiety disorder, was bullied in school, has a crappy relationship with his mother and is generally pissed off at the world because society won't let him do everything he wants all the time.

So, yea, his life wasn't like on TV, welcome to the real world.
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So I just need to point out that as someone who was diagnosed with Social Anxiety Disorder (SAD) a little over a decade ago. This isn't something you ever truly get cured of. You can learn to manage it and there are drugs that can help. And the nature of it can actually make it hard to seek treatment for it. I lived with it for over 30 years before doing so myself. Even something as anonymous as engaging in an online internet debate can induce feelings of anxiety. However I do not blame society for having it nor do I believe am owed any type of special consideration. And anyone who thinks someone shouldn't get treatment for it because it would damage their specialness is mistaken. (had to put that in since I am also the father of a child diagnosed with High Functioning Autism) My getting treatment enabled me to get a better job find and marry my beautiful wife and have our wonderful and beautiful son. Had I left myself untreated those things probably wouldn't have happened.
 
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qwints said:
Okay, so you think the delivery person was reasonably mistaken about the nature of the encounter because your friend didn't intend to be racist, right? My point is that your friend's intent doesn't define the delivery persons experience. You can't look to your friend's purported intent and conclude that race didn't affect the interaction.
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And if she said the same thing to white delivery people it would still be racist because blacks need special privileges that others in the same profession do not! Or some such.
 
Mr. Scott said:
Wow, I wonder how much science was applied in generating that list "for those who need educating." Even though white, she places herself way down near the bottom, at the "poor me, I'm underprivileged, so society is to blame for my failure" end. Curiously, my category does not appear on her list. Does that put me below the bottom?
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No, that automatically places you above all the rest of us, including the ebil White Straight Cis Males, so stop your science-splaining before I ban you. I'm under-privileged, so walk it back, Bub!
 
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squealpiggy said:
I watched a video:



Now this video specifies that the man getting into an elevator is black, therefore this woman's actions are attributed to racism. But what is her behaviour exactly? She is stood in the middle of an elevator. Someone gets on. So... she moves to the side and clutches her belongings. The first action is politeness. You make room for the newcomer. The second is a precaution against sharing a small space with a stranger.

The black man in the video attributes her behaviour to race but has not considered what this woman's actions would be if a white woman got onto the elevator instead.

Of course it may have nothing to do with race but everything to do with sex. Because a man on an elevator? Have you seen what caffeine can do to your blood pressure!?.
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If A+ and its that women are afraid of all men in elevators and view them as rapists. And then the privileged douche gets offended by that? He us clearly the enemy if all true social justice warriors.
 
Mr. Scott said:
Wow, I wonder how much science was applied in generating that list "for those who need educating." Even though white, she places herself way down near the bottom, at the "poor me, I'm underprivileged, so society is to blame for my failure" end. Curiously, my category does not appear on her list. Does that put me below the bottom?
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I like the fact that it's so easy to read her biases in the ordering of the list. Like most of the enlightened at A+ this is another kid in the middle of studies. How many of us had actually formed our socio-political cores by that age? How many of us are still passionate or even care about some of the stuff that caught our fancy when we were twenty to twenty-two years old.

(Well, okay but the Baker sisters, Bitsy and Barbara were an exception,... how often does one get propositioned by identical twins, co-runners up in the Miss Eastern Townships competition in '72? :p But other than that? )

I think they really might consider changing "Shut up and listen" to "Shut up and learn", but that might cut too close to the bone.
 
Foolmewunz said:
I like the fact that it's so easy to read her biases in the ordering of the list.
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How do you suppose she justified putting Asians at a nearly identical privilege level with whites? I recall ceepolk shutting down a discussion about the horrors of North Korea because non-whites were too underprivileged to be criticized.

But you're right. It's personal biases masquerading as universal truths.
 
Empress said:
I'm still puzzling over this nugget of wisdom, however:
So that means when a man rapes a woman that it is always rape.
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I'm so glad she let us know. :boggled:
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Quoting myself to add a bit from another one of her posts on rape. Apparently women can rape, but it's not "legitimate rape". In fact female rapists may well be victims themselves.

Men can rape men, but again it's only "legitimate rape" if the victim is gay or trans. Straight men never rape straight men.

So the upshot of this is that only white cis heterosexual men can commit "legitimate rape".

I don't even... :boggled:
 
Mr. Scott said:
How do you suppose she justified putting Asians at a nearly identical privilege level with whites? I recall ceepolk shutting down a discussion about the horrors of North Korea because non-whites were too underprivileged to be criticized.

But you're right. It's personal biases masquerading as universal truths.
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She probably read a chapter of Margaret Mead in Anthropology 101. My question, living in Asia, is how any of them rate Cauc Males above Asian Males. They have a political target. The "prvilege" in merely being a white male in Europe or North America is NOTHING compared to the privilege that merely being male grants one in China, the rest of East Asia, the Indian Sub-Continent, the Pacific Islands, and the Middle East. And that's just Asia. But, then again, a lot of those people are "brown" or at least "brownish", so they aren't telling, nunh unh, not gonna say it!
 
Foolmewunz said:
She probably read a chapter of Margaret Mead in Anthropology 101. My question, living in Asia, is how any of them rate Cauc Males above Asian Males. They have a political target. The "prvilege" in merely being a white male in Europe or North America is NOTHING compared to the privilege that merely being male grants one in China, the rest of East Asia, the Indian Sub-Continent, the Pacific Islands, and the Middle East. And that's just Asia. But, then again, a lot of those people are "brown" or at least "brownish", so they aren't telling, nunh unh, not gonna say it!
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Colonialism!
 
Kevin_Lowe said:
I've run into social justice enthusiasts in the past who were using a highly counterintuitive and non-standard definition of racism, under which a person who is genuinely, utterly indifferent to a person's race is still somehow racist.

You're not doing that, are you?
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That would be the colour blind racism I previously mentioned.
 
Squeegee Beckenheim said:
Let's not start talking about a woman alone in a lift with a man. That way madness lies.
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Agreed, a feminist analysis of that video would likely portray the woman as the victim, given the internal dialogue of the mail. An NRA version of that video would have us discussing whether the woman was within her rights t =to empty the clip on the guy when he intimidated her by going boo! in an enclosed space.
 
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