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Astrological fun and games

JPK, okay now that one has convinced me. The others there are different ways of interpreting, gray areas, but there is no way on earth a man with no fire would be active in sports. No way at all.

Are you sure that's your birthtime? I'm going to check your chart again.

No, you're the one with the cute birthtime. Maybe a little too cute? I'm going to check your chart again, maybe I mistyped.

This is the reading I came here for, the absolute contradiction.
 
Marrena said:
What are they? Some kind of astrology tests? There is no psychic test, not one that works. Too unpredictable and sensitive. If there were one that worked, Randi's million would be gone by now.
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Marrena, You are quite wrong. There are lots of tests.

The reason that Randi still has a million is not down to there being no test, rather no one that can pass any.

It appears to any rational observer that what you describe as unpredictable and sensitive psychic skills tend in reality to produce results identical to someone merely guessing.

Here is just one test, similar to that I believe Sylvia accepted. You get a date and give a reading. 10 people look at it and score it. Obviously the person it is for will give the highest mark out of 10 and that mark will be higher than all the others.
 
Marrena said:
JPK, okay now that one has convinced me. The others there are different ways of interpreting, gray areas, but there is no way on earth a man with no fire would be active in sports. No way at all.

Are you sure that's your birthtime? I'm going to check your chart again.

No, you're the one with the cute birthtime. Maybe a little too cute? I'm going to check your chart again, maybe I mistyped.

This is the reading I came here for, the absolute contradiction.
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I think they fuged the time by a few minutes to make it look cool but thats just me. I can't remember I was little then. :)
Like I said, as of late, not much time for sports, but when I do play, I play to win. Nowhere near as fast as I used to be but in school, I played soccer. I always wanted to be a goalie but the coachs always made me play halfback because I was very fast and never tired. (Besides we had two very good goalies who were huge. I was a pretty little kid)

JPK
 
or, here's a possible test

Take 10 people
Do a horiscope for each person
seal the horoscopes in an envelope.
Then talk to each person for (let's say a 1/2 hour)
At no point can you ask a question that would lead them to say where/or when they were born. (example: "so do you live in the area?"
After you have talked to everyone, you then match each horoscope to the person with whom you think it belongs.
If you get a percentage outside the range of chance, you get the million.
 
Marrena said:
Hmm, yes and no. Actually you are in some ways a better fit for Dr. Adequate's chart--film is ruled by Neptune and he's got it in the house of career.

I'm glad you told me in such detail, makes me a better astrologer. Now when I see Aries Saturn as chart ruler in the third house and I say, "Dominance in communication is the most important thing" I can associate that with getting a degree in Information Technology and making presentations to banks (Saturn rules banks). But it could be a lot of other things too, that's why astrology is maddening. Still I'm going to count this as another strike out, I'm way beyond three.
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Again not trying to be mean. But doesn't the fact that your swapping charts and then post-hoc applying Information Technology to "dominance in communication" to a particular aspect raise doubts in your mind? Even you admit that it could be lots of other things. There's no real rhyme or reason to it. If it fits its good, if it doesn't, it must have been something else, if its a complete disaster its potentially someone else's chart.

Here's an honest question. What about the planets specifically affects us? Jupiters location at the time of your birth affects you how? The other question is what happens during childbirth that is so special, or rather, the time of exit from the womb? Why isn't astrology tied to the time or date of conception? Who picked the time of birth? Why? For what reasons? Based on what logic? "Film is ruled by Neptune", how was this determined? By what process? By what logic? I'm afraid it all seems entirely arbitrary to me.
 
How's this for a test, I'm willing to bet that if JPK is willing to look at his birth certificate, the time will be a time with a fire rising sign. I'll work backwards right now to find the closest appropriate windows. I'll stake my astrological reputation on it. He's got Saturn on a cusp with a fire sign, but that's not enough to make a person into an athlete, no way.

Aries makes the best athletes, so I'm guessing around 2:00 am. But it could be Leo too, around 9:00 am.
 
That was not my own horoscope, it was my son's. I have no idea what time of day I was born and I wanted to give you as accurate data as possible.

A few of the things you mention apply to him - he does take umbrage or get his back up easily and he has an inquiring mind. I don't think the rest applies. He is athletic but not aggressive or "has to be first", he's very quiet and introspective and a bit of a loner. He doesn't have a cell phone and uses the phone in our house probably the least of anyone.

I know you're using software or charts to look a lot of this up but I also get the impression that an awful lot of your interepretation could be influenced by your impression of me via this forum since you seem to think it was my horoscope you were doing. I wasn't trying to trick you, btw, it just didn't occur to me to mention that it wasn't my own birth date I gave you.

I have a question, though. I know what a singleton is and you say this birth data shows a sun singleton on the gemini/cancer cusp but in reality the sun was in taurus (close to gemini) on that date. Does the physical position of the planets, sun, whatever not actually matter? Do you just go by a calculation regardless of the actual position of the object?
 
He's got Saturn on a cusp with a fire sign, but that's not enough to make a person into an athlete, no way.
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No offense, but none of us would know if "he's got Saturn on a cusp with a fire sign". You could say he does, even if he didn't, and we would have no way of knowing if it's true.
 
Well I'll try some of the tests people have given me here, and if JPK comes back and says he was born at 6:05 am or something, I'll officially throw in the towel. That's why I'm here; I don't like being psychic. :)
 
Could you try one of the dates I provided, please?

I have a pretty good way for us to verify them
 
oh, and are you using a computer program for this? or just doing it by hand? You seem very fast at making the predictions.
 
Blondin said:
I have a question, though. I know what a singleton is and you say this birth data shows a sun singleton on the gemini/cancer cusp but in reality the sun was in taurus (close to gemini) on that date. Does the physical position of the planets, sun, whatever not actually matter? Do you just go by a calculation regardless of the actual position of the object?
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No actually, not going by your postings at all, I apologize. And absolutely the sun position matters, I must have mistyped the the coordinates, which is not surprising considering how many I'm doing here and how fast I'm doing them. Fortunately no one is paying me here, doing it to disconvince myself.

Here's the software I'm using, it's free for everyone to use, so people can check what I'm saying for themselves.

http://www.astro.com

I'm going under free horoscope, chart drawing and ascendant. Let me do it again, although obviously will be useless as proof since I screwed it up. Obviously useless as proof in general since I seem to be getting all of them wrong. :D
 
Blondin, the sun wasn't anywhere near Taurus on June 21st. I didn't mistype. Obviously screwed up very much with the sun cusp--he is on the cusp with Cancer, sensitive moody and homebound sign of the zodiac. Obviously I suck at sun cusps, that's it, no more charts for people whose sun is within three degrees of a cusp. Don't have a handle on them yet, too green.

Operaider, I'm doing charts in the order posted. If you want to fool around, singletons are determined by location or element, and you have to check the angles to get a complete reading of a chart.

Oh, it dawns on me that the pic you posted was an actual star chart. I'm not sure how close the signs of the zodiac actually fit the constellations. Basically each sign is exactly one twelfth of the circumference of the sky, from an earth point of view. So yes, it may not match the constellations exactly, perhaps not even close. Let me think, the delineations of the zodiac match the equinoxes and solstices exactly. The Sun enters Aries at the exact moment of the spring equinox, etc.
 
Operaider, your birthdate is close enough to Eleatic Stranger's that I'm running into the same problem. You've got Chiron hanging way out there, and the house placement is really key to know what the heck is up with your chart. Will look at the other ones you posted.
 
Marrena, I hate to be the one to bring this up, but what would you say to the, at least, possibility, that the astrology isn't really working here?

The generalisations are pretty wide and we can stretch to fit some of them, but there are some other real problems with this.

If the planets affect people why does the asteroid belt not? It has an enormous mass.

Also, Pluto was only discovered within the last hundred years and much of astrology predates that. Indeed Chinese astrology still sticks with the five known planets that were around when it was invented.

Also why would the effect of Pluto be greater than, say, a bed within the vicinity of the infant? It's gravity would have much greater influence.

If two people were born in the same hospital within minutes of each other would they be similar people? Regardless of social upbringing?

Why do star signs work the same for people born in different hemispheres where the seasons are reversed?

Do you think there might be a possibility that astrology just doesn't work, or do you believe it works just because you want to believe?

Not wanting to be mean here, just some questions. (And thank you again for the time you have taken here today)
 
Thank you Marrena,

though none of them are actually my birth dates. They are just people I know of, I'm just curious if their traits show up in the reading. I'll let you know if they seem accurate
 
Donks, you are another Capricorn rising. A shame, means the most important thing to you is where your Saturn is placed, and yours is in the house of marriage and partnerships. Usually this placement means bad luck for a first marriage. Let me check the angles.

Oh man, you've got one of the tightest T-squares I've ever seen, and the corner of it is in your marriage house. It involves your moon and Saturn, the planet of bad luck, is on the corner. And the planet Uranus, planet of sudden change.

Okay, this is another chart where it is totally clear--if I'm wrong, I'm totally wrong. If this guy is happily married, astrology is completely bogus.

I'm going to indulge in some astrological talk, because this chart needs it. Unlike yods, T-squares can be resolved by concentrating on the empty corner and really working Jupiter too.

This is going to cause difficulties in all areas of your life. For you everything comes with a struggle, especially relationships. Your Jupiter is in Aries in the fourth house, I'm guessing being dominant in the home brings you luck. Empty corner is first house, the house of self, in Aquarius, the sign of eccentricity, revolution and social change. That's where the resolution of your bad luck lies.

I'd avoid casinos if I were you and take care of your heart--eat healthy, etc. Good luck!
 
By the way Marrena, for some reason I am finding it very hard to read your user name without humming it to the tune of "Maria" by Blondie.

But that's just me.
 
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