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Astrological fun and games

jj, I need birth location too, what city.

Lisa Simpson. You've got a fire singleton in your chart. Means it's the overwhelming thing about your chart and makes any sort of "sun sign" astrology totally meaningless. I'm starting to sound like a troll, sorry, but Mars falls in your 8th house, in Leo. Leo is the sign of the star, center of attention. I don't think it's just sex though, it's got to affect your whole personality. Mars is the planet of ambition--this is the chart of a lawyer or doctor--8th house is also the house of other people's money and life, death and regeneration. House of career is empty and so is house of daily work, so that's how you make your money (unless other people's money is literally involved).

You've got a weighted ninth house, including your Sun, definitely college-educated, Capricorn rising, sign of natural skeptic and pragmatist, softened by moon conjuncting rising sign. Literally wearing your heart on your sleeve, although your moon is in Capricorn so this is not a position of vulnerability. Very cool customer and level-headed.

Another singleton you have is by location, Saturn, planet of bad luck and tradition in Pisces. In your house of communication. That's a weird position, not sure what it means but important in your chart. Bad luck partially outweighed by loose grand trine, so very conservative and skeptical when it comes to paranormal oh hell that does sound like a cold reading but I'm pretty sure that's what it means.

Lucky in love and marriage, I will say that.
 
Couldn't you wait until several people have given their dates of birth, and then give out a bunch of readings at the same time, and see if we could work out whose was whose?

Of course, you'd just have to give the results on our respective characters, and not give us the explanation about "sun in Aries" and "cusps" or we could work out who was who from that.

Besides, frankly, I'm not going understand the explanation --- no-one does. It's just in there to show the clients that you've really been doing astrology and not making stuff up. Like meteorologists talking about "areas of low pressure" and "millibars" before telling you that it's going to rain.

5th April 74, about 4 a.m. BST. Nothing cuspy about me.
 
Marrena said:
Lisa Simpson. You've got a fire singleton in your chart. Means it's the overwhelming thing about your chart and makes any sort of "sun sign" astrology totally meaningless. I'm starting to sound like a troll, sorry, but Mars falls in your 8th house, in Leo. Leo is the sign of the star, center of attention. I don't think it's just sex though, it's got to affect your whole personality.
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I don't like being the center of attention.

Mars is the planet of ambition--this is the chart of a lawyer or doctor--8th house is also the house of other people's money and life, death and regeneration. House of career is empty and so is house of daily work, so that's how you make your money (unless other people's money is literally involved).
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Huh? How do I make my money?

You've got a weighted ninth house, including your Sun, definitely college-educated, Capricorn rising, sign of natural skeptic and pragmatist, softened by moon conjuncting rising sign. Literally wearing your heart on your sleeve, although your moon is in Capricorn so this is not a position of vulnerability. Very cool customer and level-headed.
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I don't wear my heart on my sleeve. Ever.

Another singleton you have is by location, Saturn, planet of bad luck and tradition in Pisces. In your house of communication. That's a weird position, not sure what it means but important in your chart. Bad luck partially outweighed by loose grand trine, so very conservative and skeptical when it comes to paranormal oh hell that does sound like a cold reading but I'm pretty sure that's what it means.

Lucky in love and marriage, I will say that.
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I'll give you that, I will have been married 18 years this Oct. to The Greatest Husband in the World. Very lucky indeed.
 
Tricky said:
Gender is Male.

3 AM is the birthtime. But most astrologists agree that this is the least influential of the effects, since it can vary depending on whether or not your area used DST or not.

You should be able to make some very specific comments even without this time.

Just out of interest, what would be the difference if I were born at 3PM instead of 3AM?
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If "astrologists" are telling you that, they are charlatans only out for your money. A true astrologer needs to know exact time of birth for a natal chart. Doing a horoscope, a real one with planetary transits of all the natal planets, not a bogus sun sign horoscope like in the newspapers it is less important.

Most good astrological software will correct for DST, etc., and a good astrologer will be aware of the more known birthtime anomalies like Chicago in the 50's. I'm not that proficient, I need to know clocktime for my software.

Still, an hour's difference would be somewhat close. A half day's difference would be very different. Opposite rising sign--Virgo rising and Pisces rising are very different people. Pisces rising--the spacey dippy people much berated on this board. Virgo rising--neatniks, critical, long-winded, attention to detail. In some ways the rising sign is the most striking thing about a person, at least superficially. That's why I have a good track record for picking it when I can see the rest of the chart (no houses). Rising sign is the face you show to the world, your instinctive way of dealing with the world.
 
Two strikes. I guess I suck. Lisa Simpson--way of making money either other people's money (inherited or stay-at-home wife) or doctor, lawyer or maybe professor.

But as someone who has said she doesn't have Leo ambition, strike those last three down, because those are all careers involving you being the leader, center of attention. When I'm wrong, I'm wrong. :)
 
What I would like is a reading with all to the technical jargon edited out, since it means nothing to a non-astrologer anyway. For example, take this reading. Actual information is in red
Marrena said:
Lisa Simpson. You've got a fire singleton in your chart. Means it's the overwhelming thing about your chart and makes any sort of "sun sign" astrology totally meaningless. I'm starting to sound like a troll, sorry, but Mars falls in your 8th house, in Leo. Leo is the sign of the star, center of attention. I don't think it's just sex though, it's got to affect your whole personality. Mars is the planet of ambition--this is the chart of a lawyer or doctor--8th house is also the house of other people's money and life, death and regeneration. House of career is empty and so is house of daily work, so that's how you make your money (unless other people's money is literally involved).

You've got a weighted ninth house, including your Sun, definitely college-educated, Capricorn rising, sign of natural skeptic and pragmatist, softened by moon conjuncting rising sign. Literally wearing your heart on your sleeve, although your moon is in Capricorn so this is not a position of vulnerability. Very cool customer and level-headed.

Another singleton you have is by location, Saturn, planet of bad luck and tradition in Pisces. In your house of communication. That's a weird position, not sure what it means but important in your chart. Bad luck partially outweighed by loose grand trine, so very conservative and skeptical when it comes to paranormal oh hell that does sound like a cold reading but I'm pretty sure that's what it means.

Lucky in love and marriage, I will say that.
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Marrena said:

If "astrologists" are telling you that, they are charlatans only out for your money. A true astrologer needs to know exact time of birth for a natal chart. Doing a horoscope, a real one with planetary transits of all the natal planets, not a bogus sun sign horoscope like in the newspapers it is less important.

Most good astrological software will correct for DST, etc., and a good astrologer will be aware of the more known birthtime anomalies like Chicago in the 50's. I'm not that proficient, I need to know clocktime for my software.

Still, an hour's difference would be somewhat close. A half day's difference would be very different. Opposite rising sign--Virgo rising and Pisces rising are very different people. Pisces rising--the spacey dippy people much berated on this board. Virgo rising--neatniks, critical, long-winded, attention to detail. In some ways the rising sign is the most striking thing about a person, at least superficially. That's why I have a good track record for picking it when I can see the rest of the chart (no houses). Rising sign is the face you show to the world, your instinctive way of dealing with the world.
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It depends on which astrologer you ask. There is a wide discrepency as to how to interpret signs.

From what I'm hearing you say, you would be better at prediciting a person's hour of birth than you would be at predicting their month. Yet, almost all astrological texts refers to the sun sign as the most dominant in determining a person's personality. Usually, they have their chapters arranged that way.
 
I'm giggling because Tricky is Virgo rising. Okay, onto the rest of his chart.

Okay, will try to sit on the astrological lingo. Very, very lucky chart for academia and travel. Good for money too, very good. Not clear on career, but with this chart it doesn't matter. This is a person who is good with stuff, with acquiring beautiful things, and is lucky with finding them. Conservative taste, for a Libra gives off a dour, almost wet blanket feel. Skeptical and pragmatic about ideals (another cold reading thingie, but it's there in the chart), but ideals very important. Moody and sensitive as hell, friendship very important for working through unusual and strong moods. Also attracted to moody and unusual people for friends.

Virgo rising gives long-winded and detailed approach to life, rather critical of others but also very willing to serve and support, a touch of the hypochondriac.

With this chart your bank account is in good shape and you have a healthy self-respect.
 
Tricky said:

From what I'm hearing you say, you would be better at prediciting a person's hour of birth than you would be at predicting their month. Yet, almost all astrological texts refers to the sun sign as the most dominant in determining a person's personality. Usually, they have their chapters arranged that way.
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Of course, most astrological texts are also written with the intention of selling texts. Since most people know their birthday (and therefore their Sun sign), but may not know their birth time (and woudn't want to compute their rising sign), you'll get a lot more sales if you organize it by Sun sign. Never attribute to malice what can be adequately explained by marketing....


Marenna -- am I correct that you are doing this by software? If so, I'd like to propose a slight variation that may make for a more interesting "challenge." I will give you four dates/times/places, one of which is correct for the subject. If you can give me four different analyses (without telling me the corresponding dates), I will attempt to figure out which one is the most accurate, and we will see if it corresponds to the correct date.

Of course, this is four times as much work for you, but also controls for certain cold reading effects....

Interested?

BTW -- if we need a neutral arbiter and any of you would like to
volunterr, PM me.
 
So Ashles is:

- highly educated
- philosophical
- knows or partakes in travel
- Professor, or should be a Professor because of his silver tongue
- something about a house of sex :D
- Neurotic
- Obsessive, possible with talking about sex
- Should be a professor in research because of the signs of sex and uncovering secrets
- writer, particularily fiction writer
- is a forum poster friendly to believers
- skeptical and pragmatic
- Career is easy
- Practical, competent, no nonsense
- loyal in love
- dominate in communication

Does that about sum it up?

If so, what percentage of hits within that list do you consider significant? If 6 apply is that significant? If any apply is that significant? If all but 1 apply is that significant? What's our measuring stick here?
 
A little astrological lingo. Dr. Adequate you are lucky in love, you've got a grand trine involving Venus falling in your first, fifth and eighth houses. Also lucky with anything having to do with the intellect. "Charming" applies to you. You'd make an excellent con man or magician, especially since your career involves mixing travel, philosophy and higher learning with illusion and fantasy. But it certainly could be something more mundane, um, good placement for working in the entertainment industry.

You've got a particular configuration, every time I've seen it it's been in the chart of a spanker. None of my beeswax, but I thought I'd mention it.

Most important thing about your chart, you've got a singleton. Emotional connection to a partner, looks like wife, dominating your life. Not too demonstrative, emotionally you are rather critical but service oriented, very tactile and earthy and practical in your moods. Not showy but very important nonetheless.

Again, Capricorn rising. I'd venture to say that the regulars in this board have a much higher preponderance of Capricorn and Virgo rising than the general population.
 
Astrological books are absolutely about making money. Women buy them to figure out their boyfriends. Can't be asking your boyfriend for his birth certificate, but everybody knows birthday, for sun signs you don't even have to know the year.

In a sense sun signs are the most important thing about a chart because they involve a person's self expression and fundamental self. But oftentimes it takes a long time for that to manifest. Rising sign is usually what is noticed first about a person, and in childhood a person more often acts like their moon sign.

Drkitten that four chart thing is a great idea, be happy to do it if you like. Just make sure the birthdates aren't too close together.

Although with my lousy track record so far here, not sure people want me to continue. Have no idea how close a hitrate would be needed for conviction. Some charts are more obvious. Like one chart, I knew she worked in a hospital and she was a nurse. Another I said a goth and also a writer, she had just published a novel on vampires. One guy I knew very well on another forum was making fun of my astrology and I predicted seven things about his chart and six out of seven were accurate, and each one of those involved one out of twelve odds. Can't do it all the time, so maybe it is just coincidence.
 
Marrena said:
Okay, I've got some free time, anybody up for an astrology reading? I'll try not to be too bogus. I need birthdate (including year), time and location. Can be you or anybody you know well. I believe this stuff works, let me put it to the test with people who aren't gullible.
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Ok, everyone loves my birthday, 06/16/66 at 6:16 am. Plainfield, New Jersey.

JPK
 
Marrena said:
A little astrological lingo. Dr. Adequate you are lucky in love, you've got a grand trine involving Venus falling in your first, fifth and eighth houses.
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Horribly unlucky, dammit.


Also lucky with anything having to do with the intellect.
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Well the doctorate's real. But be honest, did my use of the title give you a hint?


"Charming" applies to you.
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That's not for me to say. But yes.


You'd make an excellent con man or magician
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No. People can always tell when I'm being even a little bit insincere.


especially since your career involves mixing travel, philosophy and higher learning with illusion and fantasy.
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No. Just higher learning. In particular, no travel. I live ten minutes walk away from my office, never have to go anywhere else in the course of my work, and can't drive.


But it certainly could be something more mundane, um, good placement for working in the entertainment industry.
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Or reasearch work at a university?


You've got a particular configuration, every time I've seen it it's been in the chart of a spanker. None of my beeswax, but I thought I'd mention it.
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Never have. I was asked once and demured. Nowadays, though, I think I'd give it a try.


Most important thing about your chart, you've got a singleton. Emotional connection to a partner, looks like wife, dominating your life.
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Single.


Not too demonstrative, emotionally you are rather critical but service oriented, very tactile and earthy and practical in your moods. Not showy but very important nonetheless.
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A little vague... or "cold" as we say, but I think you were doing fine up to "practical in my moods". The words "impulsive idiot" never came to mind, did they?

This is all a bit hit and miss, isn't it? I guess what I should do is compare it to the readings you've given for other people and see whether they apply to me even less.
 
Marrena said:

Drkitten that four chart thing is a great idea, be happy to do it if you like. Just make sure the birthdates aren't too close together.

Although with my lousy track record so far here, not sure people want me to continue. Have no idea how close a hitrate would be needed for conviction.
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[shrug] It's a tough crowd here. There are a few wingnuts that would pick up on any infelicity and proclaim it --- "you said that I would be a lawyer, and I'm not! I'm a judge!" More generally, confirmation bias works both ways, so a dyed in the wool skeptic will be looking harder for mistakes, perhaps than is warranted (while on some of the believer-friendly boards, the reverse would be true).

The scientific "standard" for conviction is probability of result less than 5%. We could meet that by my giving you twenty dates, instead of just four, and seeing if the right one gets picked. But I hate to ask you to do that much work just to encourager les autres.

I'll have some dates to you tomorrow. What's "too close together"? All within the same month? All within the same year? All within the same decade? Two dates since the fall of Rome?
 
With Ashles, the friendly to believers wasn't something I got from his chart it was what I concluded from reading his posts here. Actually his chart somewhat contradicts that, Capricorn rising being the hallmark of the natural skeptic. I've got a Capricorn Sun myself, and I hate that I'm Pisces rising. They may be coincidences but too damn many of them happen to me for me to be happy about it. Now that I'm Wiccan, at least the "coincidences" are ones that I'm expecting.

JPK--Most obvious thing about your chart is you have no fire, except on your descendant, which hardly counts. I'm the same way, no fire in my chart. You have low energy, very low energy. Your body is very lethargic, people may accuse you of being lazy, but you're not. Not good at athletics, find it hard to get noticed. Overweight too. You are attracted to fiery vivacious people on a fundamental level. You need to be around them so their energy rubs off on you.

You completely make up for this by your tremendous mental energy. It's just in your nature to talk, to communicate, very agile and active mind.

You are emotionally reserved and cool, but loyal and passionate with the right person. Oh man, that does sound like a cold reading, but I don't know how else to put it.

Your career could go one of three ways. Hopefully you are involved somehow with traditional healing of the unfortunate. Either you are a healer, perhaps a psychiatrist or social worker, or you are involved in a conservative industy somehow connected with healing, financial worker for a hospital, etc., or your career has bad luck and illness connected with it. Sorry.

Day-to-day non-career work involves--I think it's connected. Counselor or therapist. Another option would be rock musician, but that's not exactly a day-by-day, pay the bills sort of job.

No, looking at the whole chart you are some kind of counselor.
 
I've always been curious about this. Here's my info

Male
New Orleans, Louisiana
December 4, 1980
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Damnit, I can't find my birth certificate with the Time of Birth on it.
 
Well, I've had a look, and your reading for Ashles fits me rather better than your reading for me. If Ashles will admit to a job in the entertainment industry and a long-term-relationship held together by a mutual interest in flagellation, then I'll consider the possibility that you've got us mixed up.

"Not in our stars, Horatio, but in ourselves", I think. But thanks for doing the reading.

Has anyone done studies of resemblances between children born at about the same time in the same hospital? By looking at the hospital records, you could find out exactly when they were born, to the minute, and exactly where, to the room, and make your prediction. You could choose dates as far from cusp as possible, to make it easy for you. This would give you quite a good sample size if you use a large enough maternity hosital.

But even if your predictive method is a bit off, it would seem to follow from the tenets of astrology that people born in the same hospital at the same time should be very similar, and this is testable independent of any particular method.
 
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