Assistance required for telepathy proof

Not that I expect Randi will accept a protocol that includes a polygraph or equivalent; but do you intend to:

* use a receiver that is known to you?
* interpret the polygraph (or equivalent) results personally?

Regards.
 
golfy said:
There is a difference between repeatable C/S type tests that cannot be denied as proof of telepathy compared to just stating “You hear my thoughts”. I trust that undeniable evidence will change peoples (acted) perception of my claim. I already know that people – the Doctor is one of them – can hear me but in a simple war of words I will always lose. Endless denial is what I have always been up against such as is on the recording. Evidence is more effective than tales of what people do that cannot be substantiated. It is like a court of law – no evidence, no case. The Police are evidence driven.

I have also been told by some policemen that I am schizophrenic, but one of those police went white as a sheet (a white sheet for those that live in the deliberately pedantic world – you know who you are) and took two steps back and nearly fell over when I asked him to take a poly test. I have had a lot of conversations with him and I know he can hear my thoughts. He has even been protective to some people who has harassed me because I am telepathic. Some people even repeat my thoughts to me such as did a police woman and then study my reaction. I can tell that they are taunting me in a situation where I cannot prove anything. I have reported these to the Police Standards Department and am in communication with a Police Inspector about this case. I trust that procedure will rule over opinion. The police do seem to be willing (may be a bluff) to investigate my claim if I can show enough evidence. I have been told by a Police Officer that if I can prove my claim, they will investigate. I can also take my claim to the newspapers as well.

It is possible that I will still hit the brick wall that I have always hit in the war of words world which is not evidence driven but doing nothing will never get me even one step forward.

The Police have also told me that agreement from a scientist that my claim is real will get me where I want to go – scientists have told me repeatability is the proof.

golfy
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There is simply no way you could avoid knowing that the highlighted portion is incorrect, every person here has denied that your test is proof of telepathy.
 
Hmm, do i get that right?

Someone claims to be able to project thoughts into someone else. That other person, however, says that it did not receive anything. The claimant therefore says they are all lying. To prove that he starts to use some blinkenlights gadget, where he himself then interprets what the blinking means. On the next test, the "receiver" still says that they did not receive anything. So the claimant looks at the blinky gadget, sees that it, well, blinks along, and then claims "see, you did receive it!".

Or in short: He not only uses unscientific gadgets, but he also does the interpretation of them, and then claims because of this that he can do what he claims?

Yeah, sure, very convincing...

That sounds like someone trying to prove that dowsing works, but fails to demonstrate that constantly. To "make it work" he then burries the targets himself, so he can find them in the next trial.

Greetings,

Chris
 
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Christian Klippel said:
That sounds like someone trying to prove that dowsing works, but fails to demonstrate that constantly. To "make it work" he then burries the targets himself, so he can find them in the next trial.

Greetings,

Chris
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That seems to be pretty close, but a better analogy might be that he buries the targets himself, still can't find them, and then says everyone is lying and he actually did find them, but he can't show us because he's handed them in to the police, but if his doctor took a polygraph test then we'd all see the truth, except for the cat, which has been teleported onto a ship.

Or something.

I'm bored now.
 
Golfy, have you considered that people may be denying that they hear you telepathically, not because of some conspiracy, but because they don't consciously realize it - that the body language you pick up is subconscious and they have no conscious awareness of your transmission? This would mean that people are not lying to you, they are just consciously unaware of receiving your transmission. This might change your perspective and protocol...

The other point I'd like to make is that you should consider any complaint to the police about your doctor very carefully. By the evidence of the recording, she hasn't committed any crime, or attempted to harm you in any way - in fact, it was clear that she was the one who felt intimidated during that consultation. If she decides you are harrassing her or impugning her character, and makes a complaint against you, you may find yourself under an injunction or restraining order. If you also make unwarranted complaints of this kind to the police, you may eventually find yourself in court and under psychiatric report.

UK police will generally ignore accusations that don't involve a criminal offence or can't be substantiated, unless they judge that you are becoming a public nuisance, a danger to the public, a source of public disorder, or there is a complaint from another party. Please try to avoid antagonising the police or your doctor.
 
golfy said:
The implication is that I am so confident that you can hear my thoughts that I am willing to bet £1000 that you cannot get past a C/S test with me which is tightly controlled by anyone you like - say a panel of scientists. i.e. you can hear my thoughts from where you are but simply deny it.

Instead of throwing endless paranoia, schizophrenic or other replies back, wait untill I have proven myself and then take the test by contacting me on this forum - don't forget to bring £1000 of your own as will I.

That should indicate to you which answer I would have chosen.

golfy
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This is not an answer to anything I've asked you. Please do not post things then ask me to draw conclusions as to what you mean. Answer the questions I've asked you or explain why you won't answer them.
 
The Pig said:
Because, assuming golfy both knew the receiver, and was allowed to interpret the stress test outputs personally - this is how it seems to be going - we can't eliminate the possibility that the receiver could somehow 'code' the outputs by thinking of things that illicit different stress responses... after all, people can't be trusted.
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I agree with that point specifically, but maybe I'm just dense here. What information would be beneficial, assuming golfy is given the words to say in random order?

The only useful information I can see, would be to encode the order of the responses, so golfy could put the randomized polygraph read-outs in order and then match them up to the order of the words he was assigned to say.

If the test consisted of 100 words, I'm not sure it would be possible to code the polygraph read-outs accurately just by using different stress responses, so that 100 of them could be placed in the correct order. I mean, yes, theoretically, it would be possible, but practically speaking, can people control their stress responses that exactly?

And it would certainly be extremely difficult for golfy to have instantly memorized the order of the 100 words to match them up.
 
Am I the only one who can't see the problem?

Just send your protocol(with the polygraph) to the JREF, if they accept it then the people in this thread saying otherwise were wrong, if they reject it you know that polygraphs won't be allowed.
 
rakon said:
Am I the only one who can't see the problem?

Just send your protocol(with the polygraph) to the JREF, if they accept it then the people in this thread saying otherwise were wrong, if they reject it you know that polygraphs won't be allowed.
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He needs his media presence first. Then there's that application thing....
 
jsfisher said:
He needs his media presence first. Then there's that application thing....
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Not necessarily.

The challenge application has been amended to allow people to submit a video of them doing what they claim to be able to do:

http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/1m-challenge/challenge-application.html
In order to establish the serious nature of the application, at least one of the three following items must be provided with this application:
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3.
A video (made available electronically or delivered on physical media) in which the Applicant clearly demonstrates the claimed ability. Self-produced videos are permitted. Such video becomes the property of the JREF and the Applicant grants the JREF an irrevocable license to publish or otherwise use the video in any way. Submitting a video is the lowest standard of these three options, and Applicants who choose to provide a video instead of a letter of reference or media sample are not automatically considered for a Preliminary Test and are not entitled to a written explanation of their rejection. The selection of video Applicants for Preliminary Tests may be done by any method, at the JREF's sole discretion.
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So there's that. Like it matters...

golfy: I wasn't able to download from zshare. Did you upload your test anywhere else?

Anyone else: What happened on the test golfy uploaded to zshare?
 
golfy said:
Realy bored,

I'll continue my tests without this BS.

golfy
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Agreed. You've violated the first rule of being a properly entertaining woo: don't be boring. Lessons needed, suggest you contact Rramjet or King of the Americas.
 
Sean84 said:
Anyone else: What happened on the test golfy uploaded to zshare?
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I'll try to summarize - golfy insists she do the test, she reluctantly agrees. They shuffle paper, golfy asks her if she picked the word he was thinking of - she says she has no idea. Golfy asks her if she picked the word he wasn't thinking of - she says she has no idea. Golfy looks at the polygraph and predicts she picked 'cat'. She agrees. Golfy tells her this proves she was lying, he is telepathic, and she's a guilty party in the global cover-up where everybody conspires to lie to him. They argue about the meaning of the test and its validity. She's confused and doesn't really understand the protocol, denying it shows anything or means anything, she didn't know what he was thinking, and the polygraph was all over the place beforehand. She's not happy at being called a liar and guilty of a cover-up. Golfy is insistent that it shows he's telepathic, repeatedly explaining how the protocol proves it. She sounds concerned and a little intimidated.

Given the conditions and a single test with 50% chance of a random hit, a miss could easily be dismissed as due to the doctor's agitation, the polygraph not being settled, etc., etc.
 
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I have to admit I'm getting uncomfortable with the way this thread is progressing.

It's been painfully obvious for some time now that Rolfy has some serious mental health issues. It's not just the telepathy stuff, it's his whole demeanour on the audio recording, his absolute distrust of others, his belief in a mass cover-up. The latest revelation about reporting the doctor to the police is especially disturbing.

Further encouragement doesn't seem wise to me at this point.
 
Golfy, I'm not sure how long ago that audio was taken of the C/S test with your doctor, but it appears that you no longer trust her. Are you still seeing her on a regular basis, and if not, will you find another doctor to consult?
 
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