Assistance required for telepathy proof

You haven't answered my question, you'll notice that you were asked to pick which you thought was most likely of two options. You have not picked either of them. Further, I asked you to explain why you chose that option. You have not done that. I stated I was not interested in your challenge unless you proved you had the money available. You have not done that.

So far, you're 0 for 3 on responding to what I ask.
 
golfy said:
Yet again another unsubstantiated claim - show where the JREF state they will not use a poly or stop writing. You are not JR. Understand the $1M challenge and the protocol.

golfy
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No, not unsubstantiated. You have been shown, repeatedly now, that the JREF will not entertain your application so long as it includes the use of a polygraph. RemieV, speaking on behalf of the JREF, officially so stated.

Get a clue.
 
I am not interested in conjecture about future result possibilities.

I will conduct more tests and post results. These will be either police trials (that may take weeks to do) or other tests with volunteers.

Suffice to say that every time I have done an electronic "this will get around your ability to lie" test then I have got the results that show I am telepathic.

golfy
 
So far, you're 0 for 3 on responding to what I ask.
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So? If you can't work out the meaning from the answer that I gave, then you should think harder about what my answer means.

Why should I spell it out to you - you are being lazy - look at my answer and tell me what it implies.

golfy
 
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golfy said:
So? If you can't work out the meaning from the answer that I gave, then you should think harder about what my answer means.

Why should I spell it out to you - you are being lazy - look at my answer and tell me what it implies.

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I'm not interested in drawing implications, and neither should you be. I am interested in clear, concise communication. Please answer my questions, or explain why not. If they are unreasonable, I would like to know why.
 
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That's correct wardenclyffe, (snip)
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Thanks for responding, golfy. I now know that you are able to see my posts in the forum. Would you be willing to answer the questions I asked previously, please? I think it would help.

Thanks,
Ward
 
And you trust that JREF will not cheat, when you can't even trust your sister nor any single one of your friends? Really? So, you trust JREF. Is there anyone else on the planet that you trust?

Ward

ETA: Just saw that you do not trust the NHS, but apparently you trust the police. Would you be willing to conduct a test without a polygraph if the other participants were police officers? If not, why not?
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There is a difference between repeatable C/S type tests that cannot be denied as proof of telepathy compared to just stating “You hear my thoughts”. I trust that undeniable evidence will change peoples (acted) perception of my claim. I already know that people – the Doctor is one of them – can hear me but in a simple war of words I will always lose. Endless denial is what I have always been up against such as is on the recording. Evidence is more effective than tales of what people do that cannot be substantiated. It is like a court of law – no evidence, no case. The Police are evidence driven.

I have also been told by some policemen that I am schizophrenic, but one of those police went white as a sheet (a white sheet for those that live in the deliberately pedantic world – you know who you are) and took two steps back and nearly fell over when I asked him to take a poly test. I have had a lot of conversations with him and I know he can hear my thoughts. He has even been protective to some people who has harassed me because I am telepathic. Some people even repeat my thoughts to me such as did a police woman and then study my reaction. I can tell that they are taunting me in a situation where I cannot prove anything. I have reported these to the Police Standards Department and am in communication with a Police Inspector about this case. I trust that procedure will rule over opinion. The police do seem to be willing (may be a bluff) to investigate my claim if I can show enough evidence. I have been told by a Police Officer that if I can prove my claim, they will investigate. I can also take my claim to the newspapers as well.

It is possible that I will still hit the brick wall that I have always hit in the war of words world which is not evidence driven but doing nothing will never get me even one step forward.

The Police have also told me that agreement from a scientist that my claim is real will get me where I want to go – scientists have told me repeatability is the proof.

golfy
 
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Please answer my questions, or explain why not.
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The implication is that I am so confident that you can hear my thoughts that I am willing to bet £1000 that you cannot get past a C/S test with me which is tightly controlled by anyone you like - say a panel of scientists. i.e. you can hear my thoughts from where you are but simply deny it.

Instead of throwing endless paranoia, schizophrenic or other replies back, wait untill I have proven myself and then take the test by contacting me on this forum - don't forget to bring £1000 of your own as will I.

That should indicate to you which answer I would have chosen.

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golfy, you seem to be making the claim that you are the only honest person (out of nearly 7 Billion) on the planet, and that everyone else is lying to you. Is this what you really think? For $US100K, I would be perfectly honest. Can you transmit to Australia? I can give you exact location, latitude and longitude, if this would help. Let me know when you plan to send, pick a word, transmit that word non stop for 5 minutes, and I will respond on this thread with the word.

That has to be a start.

Norm
 
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RemieV's statement that the JREF would not accept a protocol that uses a polygraph to measure results doesn't (or shouldn't) apply in this case.

There's no measurement or interpretation of the GSR meter in the results. The result would be whether the receiver wrote down "cat" or "ship" and whether Golfy correctly determined the word. It's a simple binary result.

The instrument is used in much the same way a divining rod or pendulum would be used by a dowser.
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I may be missing something obvious, but the above is why I don't see any problem with using a polygraph in this case (all else being well designed, of course).

Yes, people can cheat a polygraph, but how would they know how to cheat, since they're not actually receiving any words? Assuming telepathy isn't real, of course.

All the risk would be on golfy's side, since he could claim his receiver tricked the polygraph, but if he's okay with trusting a polygraph, how is it a problem for the JREF side?

Of course, whoever interpreted the polygraph, whether it's golfy or someone else, would need to be blinded to what the answers were supposed to be.

Seems it could be quite simple: Golfy sends a series of either cat or ship at timed intervals. Receiver (separated) is asked at timed intervals, "was it cat?" and is instructed to always answer "yes."

Golfy (or whoever he designates to read the results) is handed the randomized polygraph results and marks which are lies.

It would be paranormal, wouldn't it, if the marked results were correct, consistantly and significantly greater than chance? How could the receiver know when to cheat on the polygraph unless he was receiving something?

That said, I think we should be more concerned with the mental state of anyone who feels everyone, or nearly everyone, in the world can hear their thoughts but constantly lie to him about it.
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That too.
 
golfy said:
There is a difference between repeatable C/S type tests that cannot be denied as proof of telepathy compared to just stating “You hear my thoughts”. I trust that undeniable evidence will change peoples (acted) perception of my claim. I already know that people – the Doctor is one of them – can hear me but in a simple war of words I will always lose. Endless denial is what I have always been up against such as is on the recording. Evidence is more effective than tales of what people do that cannot be substantiated. It is like a court of law – no evidence, no case. The Police are evidence driven.

I have also been told by some policemen that I am schizophrenic, but one of those police went white as a sheet (a white sheet for those that live in the deliberately pedantic world – you know who you are) and took two steps back and nearly fell over when I asked him to take a poly test. I have had a lot of conversations with him and I know he can hear my thoughts. He has even been protective to some people who has harassed me because I am telepathic. Some people even repeat my thoughts to me such as did a police woman and then study my reaction. I can tell that they are taunting me in a situation where I cannot prove anything. I have reported these to the Police Standards Department and am in communication with a Police Inspector about this case. I trust that procedure will rule over opinion. The police do seem to be willing (may be a bluff) to investigate my claim if I can show enough evidence. I have been told by a Police Officer that if I can prove my claim, they will investigate. I can also take my claim to the newspapers as well.

It is possible that I will still hit the brick wall that I have always hit in the war of words world which is not evidence driven but doing nothing will never get me even one step forward.

The Police have also told me that agreement from a scientist that my claim is real will get me where I want to go – scientists have told me repeatability is the proof.

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I'd be curious to know the police's side of this story, but don't expect to ever find out.
 
Getting bored with the repetativness.

I am better of doing it the way that is getting me results rather that discussing on a forum.

I have been transmitting the word. I know that I am instantaneous but have repeated the word many times.

golfy
 
golfy said:
Getting bored with the repetativness.

I am better of doing it the way that is getting me results rather that discussing on a forum.

I have been transmitting the word. I know that I am instantaneous but have repeated the word many times.

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Golfy, I need to turn the Television off, and concentrate. Please start again, and tell me when you are going to start.

Norm
 
Golfy, you are still viewing this thread. please let me know when you plan on starting to transmit. I really want that $100,000.

Norm
 
I'm not sure encouraging him is the best thing. This guy needs help more than anything.
 
golfy said:
Because if you cannot explain how I got those results dishonestly then they are valid results (proof of telepathy) if repeated a number of times and the correct word is determined each and every time from observing the GSR reading. i.e. the protocol is cheat proof and the results cannot be explained any other way other than telepathy exists. This is how scientists would perceive it.

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You are providing only two options;

1) We prove that you cheated.
2) Telepathy is proved.

That is known as a false dichotomy. There are lots of other options, many of which have already been pointed out on this thread.

Scientists would not percieve that you have proved that telepathy exists, sorry.
 
Pup said:
I may be missing something obvious, but the above is why I don't see any problem with using a polygraph in this case (all else being well designed, of course).
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Because, assuming golfy both knew the receiver, and was allowed to interpret the stress test outputs personally - this is how it seems to be going - we can't eliminate the possibility that the receiver could somehow 'code' the outputs by thinking of things that illicit different stress responses... after all, people can't be trusted.
 
Bored,

I can do this without you.

I have been transmitting the same word again.

How can anyone claim that is proof of telepathy anyway. If I agree that the word you wrote is the same as I thought, that is not proof - I could be lying.

If I deny it was the same word I will be told that is proof I am not telepathic - still not proof.

Either way, no proof.

You can put the word up anyway out of interest sake.

golfy
 
Hitch said:
I flipped a coin it came up heads. I can do it every time, but there's no point since no one will believe me anyway.
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Let's assume you will repeat this a number of times, so skeptics will lose and scientists will accept that telekinesis is real .:D
 
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