Asked the FDNY about 9-11 Truth today

[uke2se]

Firefighter Keith Murphy, who is in the lobby of the North Tower:“[T]he first thing that happened, which I still think is strange to me, the lights went out.… I had heard right before the lights went out, I had heard a distant boom boom boom, sounded like three explosions.… At the time, I would have said they sounded like bombs, but it was boom boom boom and then the lights all go out.… I would say about 3, 4 seconds, all of a sudden this tremendous roar.”[City of New York, 12/5/2001]

Firefighter Craig Carlsen hears “explosions coming from building two, the South Tower. It seemed like it took forever, but there were about ten explosions.… We then realized the building started to come down.”[City of New York, 1/25/2002

Firefighter Thomas Turilli, who is in the lobby of the North Tower:“[A]ll of a sudden you just heard like it almost actually that day sounded like bombs going off, like boom, boom, boom, like seven or eight, and then just a huge wind gust just came… It just seemed like a huge explosion.”[City of New York, 1/17/2002]

Paramedic Kevin Darnowski:“I heard three explosions, and then we heard like groaning and grinding, and Tower Two started to come down.”[City of New York, 11/9/2001]

Police officer Sue Keane, who is an Army veteran, is located in the north WTC tower:“t sounded like bombs going off. That’s when the explosions happened.… It started to get dark, then all of a sudden there was this massive explosion.”[

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Similie

Explosions NOT EQUAL TO Explosives.

Thank you for reiterating your fail though, Bill.

 

[bill smith]

What do I have to say about my fellow firefighters? That they did a phenominal job on 9/11 in the face of a terrible tragedy that was impossible to win. They lost 343 brothers that day and the fact that they kept it together long enough to do what they did speaks volumes of their character.

What do I have to say about your lame quote-mines? Nothing. That's already been beat to death in other threads. Similes do not equal fact or evidence. Find something else to do.

No I asked you for your comments on what your fellow firefighters had to say- not your general opinion of firefighters. You do realise that any Reader can read you like a book at this point and knows exactly where you are coming from ?

 

[AaronMic22]

Thunder, were those two pictures of Ground Zero from your trip the other day, or are they much older?

 

[uke2se]

No I asked you for your comments on what your fellow firefighters had to say- not your general opinion of firefighters. You do realise that any Reader can read you like a book at this point and knows exactly where you are coming from ?

The firefighters didn't say anything that proves bombs went off in the buildings. Why should he be worried by what they had to say? It's more telling that the firefighter Thunder spoke to thinks twoofers are nuts. How many NYFD personnel have you spoken to, Bill?

 

[bill smith]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Similie

Explosions NOT EQUAL TO Explosives.

Thank you for reiterating your fail though, Bill.

It should be remembered that all of these firefighters had seen the planes hitting the buildings or they at least knew that they had. So the very last thing on Earth that they would have expected was to experience the evidence of controlled demolition going on around them. This much is completely self evident.

But listen to what they have to say- this paltry few examples from my list. If no planes had hit the buildings then it is entirely obvious that these witnesses wiould have made positive declarations of having experienced the controlled demolition of the Towers. Who can doubt it ?

 

[uke2se]

It should be remembered that all of these firefighters had seen the planes hitting the buildings or they at least knew that they had. So the very last thing on Earth that they would have expected was to experience the evidence of controlled demolition going on around them. This much is completely self evident.

But listen to what they have to say- this paltry few examples from my list. If no planes had hit the buildings then it is entirely obvious that these witnesses wiould have made positive declarations of having experienced the controlled demolition of the Towers. Who can doubt it ?

But planes did hit the building, Bill.

Explosions in a burning building isn't unheard of.

Anyway, what do you have to say about the only non-quote mined firefighter's statements in this thread? The statement where he calls twoofers nuts?

 

[bill smith]

But planes did hit the building, Bill.

Explosions in a burning building isn't unheard of.

You do realise that any Reader can read you like a book at this point and knows exactly where you are coming from ?

 

[uke2se]

You do realise that any Reader can read you like a book at this point and knows exactly where you are coming from ?

So you're giving up trying to present arguments, opting instead to speak for the lurkers? That's pretty weak, Bill.

 

[bill smith]

So you're giving up trying to present arguments, opting instead to speak for the lurkers? That's pretty weak, Bill.

Would you like me to post another bunch of firefighter statements ?

 

[uke2se]

Would you like me to post another bunch of firefighter statements ?

Why? The ones you've posted don't do a goddamned thing to support your position. Logic dictates that you would post the "best" ones first. Why should more quote-mines help your cause?

ETA: What do you think about the only non-quote mined firefighter statement in this thread? The one where he says twoofers are nuts?

 

[bill smith]

Why? The ones you've posted don't do a goddamned thing to support your position. Logic dictates that you would post the "best" ones first. Why should more quote-mines help your cause?

ETA: What do you think about the only non-quote mined firefighter statement in this thread? The one where he says twoofers are nuts?

Why not I guess. Just a few this time

Somewhere around the middle of the World Trade Center, there was this orange and red flash coming out. Initially it was just one flash. Then this flash just kept popping all the way around the building and that building had started to explode. The popping sound, and with each popping sound it was initially an orange and then a red flash came out of the building and then it would just go all around the building on both sides as far as I could see. These popping sounds and the explosions were getting bigger, going both up and down and then all around the building.
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110192.PDF New York Times

Stephen Gregory -- Assistant Commissioner (F.D.N.Y.) We both for whatever reason -- again, I don't know how valid this is with everything that was going on at that particular point in time, but for some reason I thought that when I looked in the direction of the Trade Center before it came down, before No. 2 came down, that I saw low-level flashes. In my conversation with Lieutenant Evangelista, never mentioning this to him, he questioned me and asked me if I saw low-level flashes in front of the building, and I agreed with him because I thought -- at that time I didn't know what it was. I mean, it could have been as a result of the building collapsing, things exploding, but I saw a flash flash flash and then it looked like the building came down.
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[It was at] the lower level of the building. You know like when they demolish a building, how when they blow up a building, when it falls down? That's what I thought I saw.
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He said did you see anything by the building? And I said what do you mean by see anything? He said did you see flashes? I said, yes, well, I thought it was just me. He said no, I saw them too.
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I know about the explosion on the upper floors. This was like at eye level. I didn't have to go like this. Because I was looking this way. I'm not going to say it was on the first floor or the second floor, but somewhere in that area I saw to me what appeared to be flashes.

 

[Sabretooth]

Would you like me to post another bunch of firefighter statements ?

Do those statements prove the existance of bombs?

c'mon, bill, we've been over this a dozen times...and I'll only been on the boards for a couple months...

Explosions in a fire are expected. We were called to a car fire last night...I heard explosions...those explosions were the tires blowing out from the heat. Will you take my quote and suggest bombs set off the tires?

I can tell you of at least 20 instances where I heard explosions during a fire. There was never a bomb and/or explosives that generated any of them.

 

[bill smith]

Do those statements prove the existance of bombs?

c'mon, bill, we've been over this a dozen times...and I'll only been on the boards for a couple months...

Explosions in a fire are expected. We were called to a car fire last night...I heard explosions...those explosions were the tires blowing out from the heat. Will you take my quote and suggest bombs set off the tires?

I can tell you of at least 20 instances where I heard explosions during a fire. There was never a bomb and/or explosives that generated any of them.

Well Sabretooth I guess we'll let the Readers decide. I know that I have.

THere are many more...over 100 such firefighter statements in fact. I think that so many similar reports from expert firefighters like yourself has got to mean controlled demolition of the Twin Towers.

 

[uke2se]

Why not I guess. Just a few this time

Somewhere around the middle of the World Trade Center, there was this orange and red flash coming out. Initially it was just one flash. Then this flash just kept popping all the way around the building and that building had started to explode. The popping sound, and with each popping sound it was initially an orange and then a red flash came out of the building and then it would just go all around the building on both sides as far as I could see. These popping sounds and the explosions were getting bigger, going both up and down and then all around the building.
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110192.PDF New York Times

So now "popping sounds" indicate demolition charges? I wouldn't use that phrase. The biggest problem with taking this statement as evidence of demolition charges is the fact that the WTC towers collapsed from the impact zone. Not from the bottom.

I don't know what this guy saw, but it couldn't have been demolition charges.

Stephen Gregory -- Assistant Commissioner (F.D.N.Y.) We both for whatever reason -- again, I don't know how valid this is with everything that was going on at that particular point in time, but for some reason I thought that when I looked in the direction of the Trade Center before it came down, before No. 2 came down, that I saw low-level flashes. In my conversation with Lieutenant Evangelista, never mentioning this to him, he questioned me and asked me if I saw low-level flashes in front of the building, and I agreed with him because I thought -- at that time I didn't know what it was. I mean, it could have been as a result of the building collapsing, things exploding, but I saw a flash flash flash and then it looked like the building came down.
...
[It was at] the lower level of the building. You know like when they demolish a building, how when they blow up a building, when it falls down? That's what I thought I saw.
...
He said did you see anything by the building? And I said what do you mean by see anything? He said did you see flashes? I said, yes, well, I thought it was just me. He said no, I saw them too.
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I know about the explosion on the upper floors. This was like at eye level. I didn't have to go like this. Because I was looking this way. I'm not going to say it was on the first floor or the second floor, but somewhere in that area I saw to me what appeared to be flashes.

Same with this one. He thinks he saw "low level flashes". No sound. Same problem as the above statement. The towers collapsed from the impact zone. Not from the bottom.

Now, what do you think about the firefighter Thunder spoke to who says twoofers are nuts?

 

[bill smith]

So now "popping sounds" indicate demolition charges? I wouldn't use that phrase. The biggest problem with taking this statement as evidence of demolition charges is the fact that the WTC towers collapsed from the impact zone. Not from the bottom.

I don't know what this guy saw, but it couldn't have been demolition charges.



Same with this one. He thinks he saw "low level flashes". No sound. Same problem as the above statement. The towers collapsed from the impact zone. Not from the bottom.

Now, what do you think about the firefighter Thunder spoke to who says twoofers are nuts?

Would you like to see a video where some Professor scientifically analyses the 12,000 pages of firefighter testimony ?

 

[bill smith]

Ach...this is just too easy. It's all over bar the fat lady singing.

 

[Sabretooth]

Ach...this is just too easy. It's all over bar the fat lady singing.

Thank the stars...does this mean you'll stop posting and take your data to the courts to get them evil do'ers locked up?!?!

 

[bill smith]

Thank the stars...does this mean you'll stop posting and take your data to the courts to get them evil do'ers locked up?!?!

An American court ? Are you kidding ? When Bush and his friends were sued for murder on 9/11 by among others 400 9/11 family members the case was dismissed by a panel of judges on the grounds of 'sovereign immunity' Like a King gets don't you know, The press went very light on the reporting. And the same in the Bush rape case when the girl shot herself effectively ending the case. No we will steer clear of that system thank you very much..

 

[uke2se]

Would you like to see a video where some Professor scientifically analyses the 12,000 pages of firefighter testimony ?

Just post it so we can have our laughs.

By the way, what do you think about the firefighter Thunder spoke to who says twoofers are nuts? I'll keep asking this until you answer it.

 

[beachnut]

Thank the stars...does this mean you'll stop posting and take your data to the courts to get them evil do'ers locked up?!?!

she has no data, she has moronic nonsense and is fully involved in posting delusions, lies and more lies