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Arm the poor?

DC said:
the OP? no from April 2010
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Your NYT story was from 2007.

Anyway, if Chavez wants to spend billions on inferior Russian arms while grocery store shelves are bare that's what he should do. Maybe the poor Venezuelans can eat fighter planes.
 
WildCat said:
Well if the Chavez fanbois say so it must be true!

And Ron Paul's polls always show him to be by far the most popular US politician ever.
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hehe, thats why i posted a pro chavez poll, and one from the opposition.
you fail
 
WildCat said:
Your NYT story was from 2007.

Anyway, if Chavez wants to spend billions on inferior Russian arms while grocery store shelves are bare that's what he should do. Maybe the poor Venezuelans can eat fighter planes.
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while we can argue about how empty the shelfs indeed are today.
i actually agree with you :)

Hell must be frozen :D
 
WildCat said:
Your NYT story was from 2007.

Anyway, if Chavez wants to spend billions on inferior Russian arms while grocery store shelves are bare that's what he should do. Maybe the poor Venezuelans can eat fighter planes.
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and yes the NYtimes articel was from 2007. and like my post indicates i was merely pointing out the headline, wich was a lie.
 
DC said:
and yes the NYtimes articel was from 2007. and like my post indicates i was merely pointing out the headline, wich was a lie.
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How was it a lie? Does Venezuela spend more money on arms than any other Latin American country?
 
WildCat said:
How was it a lie? Does Venezuela spend more money on arms than any other Latin American country?
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the headline was

Venezuela Spending on Arms Soars to World’s Top Ranks

not SA.

and to your question, No, Brazil spends more.
 
On 15 September 2009 US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton stated that Venezuela’s recent arms acquisitions outpaced those of any other country in South America and raised questions about whether an arms race was looming in the region. While it is important to draw attention to disturbing military trends, identifying workable solutions to them depends on characterizing them correctly. So are Clinton’s fears justified?

Two recent events sharpened concerns about South American arms acquisitions: Venezuela’s plan to acquire air defence systems and battle tanks, supported by a $2.2 billion loan from Russia, and Brazil’s agreement with France, worth $12 billion, for a submarine development programme and for the construction of helicopters. Both were signed in September 2009.
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http://www.sipri.org/media/newsletter/essay/jan10/?searchterm=south america

lies and propaganda. (From Hilary, not the SIPRI)
 
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WildCat said:
The NYT story was in 2007. Brazil didn't sign the deal with France until 2009.

Was it "lies and propaganda" in 2007, when the story was written?
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was Venezuelas arms spending in 2007 anywhere near the top ranks of the world?

and this time with lies and propaganda i ment Hilary in 2009.........
was Hilary incorect in her claim or not?
 
The 15 countries with the highest military
expenditure in 2007 in market exchange
rate terms

Rank Country Spending ($ b.) World share (%)
1 USA 547 45
2 UK 59.7 5
3 China 58.3 5
4 France 53.6 4
5 Japan 43.6 4
6 Germany 36.9 3
7 Russia 35.4 3
8 Saudi Arabia 33.8 3
9 Italy 33.1 3
10 India 24.2 2
11 South Korea 22.6 2
12 Brazil 15.3 1
13 Canada 15.2 1
14 Australia 15.1 1
15 Spain 14.6 1


yearbook2008.sipri.org/files/SIPRIYB08summary.pdf



and now compare to the title of the NYT.

Venezuela Spending on Arms Soars to World’s Top Ranks
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and next time, ask Hilary and the NYT for backup of their claims, not me. thanks.
 
DC said:
yeah from over 60% to over 50% .
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Yet, it is still dropping even with his supporters polls. Month on month. Thats what I claimed and I was correct.

Care to comment on the state of the country? Or do you just ask me for stuff to ignore it? You just like to talk about made up stuff like stealing elections that I do not even claim?
 
DC said:
The 15 countries with the highest military
expenditure in 2007 in market exchange
rate terms

Rank Country Spending ($ b.) World share (%)
1 USA 547 45
2 UK 59.7 5
3 China 58.3 5
4 France 53.6 4
5 Japan 43.6 4
6 Germany 36.9 3
7 Russia 35.4 3
8 Saudi Arabia 33.8 3
9 Italy 33.1 3
10 India 24.2 2
11 South Korea 22.6 2
12 Brazil 15.3 1
13 Canada 15.2 1
14 Australia 15.1 1
15 Spain 14.6 1


yearbook2008.sipri.org/files/SIPRIYB08summary.pdf



and now compare to the title of the NYT.
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I'm gonna a cut you a break here and assume this was a mistake and not deliberate. The article was written in early 2007. It talks about spending in the previous 2 years. If you want to call the article lies then you have to look at the 2 year period prior to 2007. That would be 2005 and 2006.

OK?

CARACAS, Venezuela, Feb. 24 — Venezuela’s arms spending has climbed to more than $4 billion in the past two years, transforming the nation into Latin America’s largest weapons buyer and placing it ahead of other major purchasers in international arms markets like Pakistan and Iran.
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Try again.

;)
 
funk de fino said:
Yet, it is still dropping even with his supporters polls. Month on month. Thats what I claimed and I was correct.

Care to comment on the state of the country? Or do you just ask me for stuff to ignore it? You just like to talk about made up stuff like stealing elections that I do not even claim?
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state of the country?
well yes crime is a huge problem, and they better act on it soon.
PdVSA has a pretty high debt after tha fall of oil price. bad for the people.
they seem to work on the power shortage problem. like so many others they somehow didnt see that coming, stupid, just stupid.
the debt is stupid, but still not to worse i thought compared to other south american countrys.

and do you want to comment on the archievments of the current government in Venezuela? or didnt they archieve anything good?
 
funk de fino said:
I'm gonna a cut you a break here and assume this was a mistake and not deliberate. The article was written in early 2007. It talks about spending in the previous 2 years. If you want to call the article lies then you have to look at the 2 year period prior to 2007. That would be 2005 and 2006.

OK?




Try again.

;)
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yes and now deliver evidence to backup that claim. show me how they are anywhere near the WORLDS TOP spenders!!
 
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