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Arguments on Edgar Cayce

Rodney said:
According to the March 2004 Reuters article that I posted, two studies have confirmed that almonds help prevent cancer, whereas -- to my knowledge -- no studies have even suggested that your lava lamp keeps tigers away. Granted -- again to my knowledge -- there has never been a study where a control group ate almonds and another group did not, nor has there been any controlled study of coca cola syrup. However, regarding the latter, Cayce never made the claims for it they he did for almonds. I know people, including myself, who have used coca cola syrup or flat coke to help with an upset stomach, but that IS truly anecdoctal and it's not that big of a deal anyway. But don't assume based on uninformed comments here that Cayce promoted coca cola syrup as a magic elixir -- some of his followers may have done that, but not Cayce himself.
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Who's using spin now?
But the researchers also noted that there are several different forms of vitamin E and the kind you eat -- in this case alpha tocopherol -- is key. And the best-absorbed form of alpha tocopherol is not found in supplements but in foods such as sunflower seeds, spinach, almonds and sweet peppers.
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Cursory searching reveals the following
Vitamin E (alpha-tocopherol) Content
Of Commonly Eaten Foods
Food Category Food Amount Alpha-tocopherol
in mg
Fats and Oils Sunflower oil, 60% and > linoleic acid 1 Tbs. 7.0
Safflower oil, 70% and > linoleic acid 1 Tbs. 6.0
Cottonseed oil 1 Tbs. 5.3
Sunflower oil stick margarine 1 Tbs. 3.4
Canola oil 1 Tbs. 2.9
Corn oil 1 Tbs. 2.9
Soybean oil 1 Tbs. 2.5
Corn oil stick margarine 1 Tbs. 2.2
Peanut oil 1 Tbs. 1.8
Olive oil 1 Tbs. 1.7
Soybean oil stick margarine 1 Tbs. 0.7
Sunflower oil soft margarine 1 Tbs. 0.7
Corn oil soft margarine 1 Tbs. 0.7
Soybean oil soft margarine 1 Tbs. 0.7

Seeds Sunflower seeds, dry or oil roasted 1 oz. (3 Tbs.) 14.2
Nuts Almonds, dried 1 oz. (24 nuts) 16.7
Filberts (hazelnuts), dry or oil roasted 1 oz. (20 nuts) 6.7
Brazil nuts, dried 1 oz. (8 nuts) 2.1
Peanuts, dry or oil roasted 1 oz. (20 nuts) 2.1
Pistachios, dried or dry roasted 1 oz. (47 nuts) 1.4
Pecans, dried or dry roasted 1 oz. (20 med. halves) 0.8
Walnuts, dried 1 oz. (14 halves) 0.7

Fish Flounder, baked 3 oz. 1.6
Sardines in tomato sauce 1 sardine 1.4
Salmon sockeye, canned with bone 3 oz. 1.3
Tuna, white in water, drained 3 oz. 1.3

Vegetables Tomato paste 1/2 cup 5.6
Tomato puree 1/2 cup 3.1
Avocado, California 1/2 fruit 1.6
Broccoli, chopped, frozen cooked 1/2 cup 1.5
Spinach, frozen, cooked 1/2 cup 0.9

Other Foods Peanut butter, creamy 2 Tbs. 3.2
Wheat germ, toasted 2 Tbs. 2.6
Tomato soup with milk 1 cup 2.6
Pinto beans, canned 1/2 cup 1.1
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from here http://www.ift.org/cms/?pid=1000972 which suggests that many commonly eaten foods contain alpha-tocopherol
 
Rodney said:
So your view is that after Aime Dietrich's doctor informed her father that her case was incurable and that she did not have long to live, she experienced a spontaneous recovery coincident with Cayce-prescribed osteopathic adjustments being administered?
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Yep...

given the fact that osteopathic adjustment was never again to be seen as an effective cure for influenza, logic dictates that Aime Dietrich's improvement was most likely a case of spontaneous remission. Two wholly unqualified individuals just happened to be fortunate enough to be present when it occured, and they promptly took credit for the coincidence, and capitalized on it. Not only did they capitalize... they incorporated.

It's basically the same manner in which "psychic detectives" operate. They will ingratiate themselves into a highly emotional situation, throw out a few guesses, and take credit if and when when the situation resolves itself. More then a few have built entire careers based upon a single such lucky "hit".
 
Psiload said:
Yep...

given the fact that osteopathic adjustment was never again to be seen as an effective cure for influenza, logic dictates that Aime Dietrich's improvement was most likely a case of spontaneous remission. Two wholly unqualified individuals just happened to be fortunate enough to be present when it occured, and they promptly took credit for the coincidence, and capitalized on it. Not only did they capitalize... they incorporated.

It's basically the same manner in which "psychic detectives" operate. They will ingratiate themselves into a highly emotional situation, throw out a few guesses, and take credit if and when when the situation resolves itself. More then a few have built entire careers based upon a single such lucky "hit".
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Of course, this speculation is pointless, so let's not dwell on it. Even if it's dead wrong, it doesn't prove that Cayce cured her.
 
Contrary to what it seems sometimes, people in the 1910 were not ignorant of the fact that almonds are good for you. No one had heard of vitamin E, but there are many benefits of almonds besides vitamin E. And in 1910 almonds were not readily available everywhere year round, and it was well known that people suffered from nutritional deficiency diseases due to limited diets, especially in the winter.

Cayce was saying what a lot of people were saying at the time: eat fewer preserved foods, fewer processed foods, eat less meat and a greater variety of plant foods, seek out plant foods that are available in winter.
 
Nyarlathotep said:
Yes, your article says that a specific form of vitamin E, present in many types of nuts, including almonds, may have some benficial effects against a particular form of cancer, prostate cancer specifically. It also says that it offers no benefit against bladder cancer and it doesn't mention any of the myriad other cancers at all. This is a far cry from Cayce's claim that eating two or three almonds a day is proof against cancer.
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I'd like to re-emphasize this one, Rodney, since Cayce claimed that two or three almonds a day means the patient never need fear cancer, and here we have your very own study showing that the vitamin E present in almonds offers no benefit against bladder cancer. In short, the study you yourself are citing shows that Cayce claim about almonds is incorrect. Eating several almonds a day has no benefit against bladder cancer.

You've just debunked at least one of Cayce's medical claims. Good job!
 
Diet & acne

A diet high in raw vegetables and fruits is beneficial. Avoid all forms of sugar, alcohol, butter, caffeine, cheese, chocolate, cocoa, cream, fat, fried foods, margarine, hydrogenated oils, soft drinks, iodized salt and processed foods. Sugar may impair immune function and promote the growth of bacteria and candida.
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http://www.acnetreatmentcenter.com/lifestyle&acne/

Hell, even other woos say:

Do not drink soft drinks or alcoholic beverages. Avoid sugar, chocolate, and junk food.
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http://1stholistic.com/Beauty/skin/skin_oily_skin.htm


AVOID SOFT DRINKS
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All caps!!

http://homeopathy-site.com/acne-homeopathy/index.php
 
Dang. A.R.E. recommends coca-cola for obesity...

Coca-Cola syrup without the carbonated water was suggested as a purifying agent for the kidneys; and as a purifier for the intestinal tract, a teaspoonful daily of a mixture of equal parts of sulphur, cream of tartar, and Rochelle salts was suggested. The importance of adequate liver function and production of bile cannot be overemphasized. Attention is directed to the Circulating File on "Constipation" where this problem is discussed rather extensively.
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http://www.edgarcayce.org/health/da.../printer_friendly/obesity_printerfriendly.asp


Cystitis...

In general throughout the readings it is advised that very little carbonated beverages be taken; however, a little Coca Cola syrup is advised in those instances where there tends to be an acidity in the urine. This acts in much the same way as watermelon seed tea.
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http://www.edgarcayce.org/health/database/health_resources/cystitis.asp
 
UrsulaV said:
I'd like to re-emphasize this one, Rodney, since Cayce claimed that two or three almonds a day means the patient never need fear cancer, and here we have your very own study showing that the vitamin E present in almonds offers no benefit against bladder cancer. In short, the study you yourself are citing shows that Cayce claim about almonds is incorrect. Eating several almonds a day has no benefit against bladder cancer.

You've just debunked at least one of Cayce's medical claims. Good job!
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Sorry, Ursula, you have misread the study results. The study you cite simply found that "gamma tocopherol offered no protection against bladder cancer." However, it also found that "[t]hose with the highest intake of alpha tocopherol from food had a 42 percent reduced risk of bladder cancer." Almonds contain both alpha tocopherol and gamma tocopherol. While the latter does not provide protection against bladder cancer, it "is the effective form for fighting nitrogen radicals. These radicals are major culprits in arthritis, multiple sclerosis (MS) and diseases of the brain such as Alzheimer's." See -- http://www.vitamine-factor.com/Choosing a product.html

Bear in mind that Cayce stated repeatedly that almonds not only prevent cancer, but promote good health in general.
 
Rodney said:
Sorry, Ursula, you have misread the study results. The study you cite simply found that "gamma tocopherol offered no protection against bladder cancer." However, it also found that "[t]hose with the highest intake of alpha tocopherol from food had a 42 percent reduced risk of bladder cancer." Almonds contain both alpha tocopherol and gamma tocopherol. While the latter does not provide protection against bladder cancer, it "is the effective form for fighting nitrogen radicals. These radicals are major culprits in arthritis, multiple sclerosis (MS) and diseases of the brain such as Alzheimer's." See -- http://www.vitamine-factor.com/Choosing a product.html

Bear in mind that Cayce stated repeatedly that almonds not only prevent cancer, but promote good health in general.
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Even so, a drop in the likelyhood of getting two particular forms of cancer is not the same thing as saying that a couple of almonds per day means you 'need never fear cancer'.
 
Rodney said:
Sorry, Ursula, you have misread the study results. The study you cite simply found that "gamma tocopherol offered no protection against bladder cancer." However, it also found that "[t]hose with the highest intake of alpha tocopherol from food had a 42 percent reduced risk of bladder cancer." Almonds contain both alpha tocopherol and gamma tocopherol. While the latter does not provide protection against bladder cancer, it "is the effective form for fighting nitrogen radicals. These radicals are major culprits in arthritis, multiple sclerosis (MS) and diseases of the brain such as Alzheimer's." See -- http://www.vitamine-factor.com/Choosing a product.html

Bear in mind that Cayce stated repeatedly that almonds not only prevent cancer, but promote good health in general.
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Kevin Trudeau would like Cayce. He's always talking about the benefits of Vitamin E. I started taking 100 i.u. of Vitamin E after reading his book. He doesn't recommend just any Vitamin E although he said he wasn't allowed to mention brand names in his book (a pure, natural Vitamin E without soy oil that can turn rancid or other fillers, It should include mixed tocopherols (the full spectrum of Vitamin E). The company "Now" has a Vitamin E with non-GMO soy. It costs about $27.00 per bottle.
 
Rodney said:
Sorry, Ursula, you have misread the study results. The study you cite simply found that "gamma tocopherol offered no protection against bladder cancer." However, it also found that "[t]hose with the highest intake of alpha tocopherol from food had a 42 percent reduced risk of bladder cancer." Almonds contain both alpha tocopherol and gamma tocopherol. While the latter does not provide protection against bladder cancer, it "is the effective form for fighting nitrogen radicals. These radicals are major culprits in arthritis, multiple sclerosis (MS) and diseases of the brain such as Alzheimer's." See -- http://www.vitamine-factor.com/Choosing a product.html

Bear in mind that Cayce stated repeatedly that almonds not only prevent cancer, but promote good health in general.
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Wonderful! So almonds DO contain substances that provide a reduced risk of cancer. That's lovely. Still seems to me that there's probably a weeeeee little bit of difference between "high intake of alpha tocopherol leads to a reduced risk of bladder cancer" and "three almonds a day prevents all cancer."

Do you deny that Cayce claimed, very specifically, that two or three almonds a day would prevent all cancer?

We'll leave aside the other benefits of almonds for the moment, 'cos I think that's a smokescreen you're putting up to backpeddle from the fact that Cayce's claim is wrong. No red herrings here. Let's stick, very specifically, to cancer and the noble almond.

Now, alpha tocopherol appears to offer some protection against bladder cancer. Beautiful!

The American Dietitic Association states that the RDA for Vitamin E is 15 milligrams. They recommend almonds as a great way to provide Vitamin E. A handful (24 almonds) provides 7.4 milligrams, or nearly half the recommended daily allowance. Wonderful! Go almonds!

Hmm.

Still, my math may be faulty, but if 24 almonds provides 7.4 milligrams, then an individual almond provides 0.3 or so milligrams, and 3 almonds would provide...less than a milligram worth of alpha tochopherol. 'Bout the same as a kiwi fruit, less than a bell pepper. If people with the highest levels of alpha tocopherol seem to have increased resistance to bladder cancer (42%) then we'll assume they're at the RDA. So eating 15 milligrams of our alpha tocopherol provides 42% less bladder cancer.*

In other words, Cayce's three almonds, which are 1/15th of the daily recommended allowance, would provide...what...2.8% resistance to bladder cancer? (My math is probably wrong, I'm no statistician, feel free to correct me, and I doubt it really works like that anyway.) Still, seems to me that there's kind've a difference between 42% increased resistance to bladder cancer if you eat two handfuls of almonds a day, and total protection from all kinds of cancer if you eat three almonds a day.

So, I'm back to my original question--Rodney, do you believe that if you eat three almonds a day, you will never get cancer?

http://webdietitians.org/Public/NutritionInformation/92_nfs1102a.cfm


*According to studies which may or may not be verified, yadda yadda yadda.
 
UrsulaV said:
So, I'm back to my original question--Rodney, do you believe that if you eat three almonds a day, you will never get cancer?
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Remains to be seen, but contrary to what you previously asserted, that possibility is not inconsistent with any study results.
 
Rodney said:
Remains to be seen, but contrary to what you previously asserted, that possibility is not inconsistent with any study results.
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There are no studies to confirm it, however. And for such a claim to be accepted as true, there would have to be.
 
Rodney said:
Remains to be seen, but contrary to what you previously asserted, that possibility is not inconsistent with any study results.
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You're correct--I misread your statement about the study.

And, yet, I see you're fine with this claim by Cayce, because you claim it's never been debunked by a study, and yet you dismiss out of hand the claim that Nyarlathotep's lava lamp prevents cancer, despite an identical lack of debunking by any study.

Somebody's not bein' consistent in the woo claims they accept!
 
Hawk said:
Pistachio ice cream is just about the best thing that humanity's created on this planet. I bet eating pistachio ice cream will make them pistachios freeze and kill the cancer cells!
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I agree with the incredibleness of pistachio ice cream. However, it is possible, believe it or not, to put too many pistachios in pistachio ice cream. That is the case with one of the marvelous ice cream stands in my town.

There's a fine line between ice cream and candy/nuts.

~~ Paul
 
UrsulaV said:
You're correct--I misread your statement about the study.

And, yet, I see you're fine with this claim by Cayce, because you claim it's never been debunked by a study, and yet you dismiss out of hand the claim that Nyarlathotep's lava lamp prevents cancer, despite an identical lack of debunking by any study.

Somebody's not bein' consistent in the woo claims they accept!
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No inconsistency: I'm not dismissing out of hand the proposition that Nyarlathotep's lava lamp prevents cancer, it's just that I am not aware that there is any study that supports that proposition in any way, shape, or manner. On the other hand, two studies support the proposition that almonds (at least help) prevent cancer. No, that doesn't mean that eating 2-3 almonds a day is guaranteed to prevent cancer, and I certainly would not advocate ingesting known carcinogens along with the 2-3 almonds/day to test that proposition, but don't you think there is just a tad bit of difference in the evidence for the two propositions?
 
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