Are White Nationalists influencing the Ron Paul campaign?

[Checkmite]

The story was simple. She joined a god knows what specific form of secret freemasonic society. That's a fact. Some people there helped her immidiately in her career to become one of the advisors for a key political player here. Another fact. Her job here as an very influental person was to help certain 2 british investors with privatisation of some previously state owned companies. Oh yeah.. a damn FACT .. so what is bogus?? Severly misinformed?? What are you talking about??

Can it already, it's not a fact. It's an unsupported anecdote, and it sounds made up. The fact is, you tried your story on a bunch of people who just happen to know more about things like Freemasonry than you do, so you got called on your BS.

Your problem is that you fear so much that by admiting that people could conspire, you will become a conspiracy theorist. Well let me tell you. There are people who just beleive that people are people and some **** can happen and then there are Alex Jones type crazy people.

Well "let me tell you". If you believe that it's possible there is some group actively plotting to bring about a New World Order, you're an "Alex Jones crazy" person. You can't make a logical leap from a proposition like "I make business deals with other business people" to a proposition like "that means it's possible that people are conspiring to destroy the US and establish a one-world government", because it doesn't follow. Things like "I make business deals with other business people" are supported by this little thing called "evidence", whereas the conspiracy to enslave the planet has none. That something is "possible" does not mean that it's plausible.

 

[Suddenly]

Hitler accepted Japan as an ally.

He accepted the USSR as an ally as well at one point.

Means nothing.

 

[MaGZ]

He accepted the USSR as an ally as well at one point.

Means nothing.

Hitler would have preferred to have accepted Great Britain as an ally against the USSR.

 

[TriskettheKid]

Hitler would have preferred to have accepted Great Britain as an ally against the USSR.

Hitler would have preferred to live.

Changed his mind on that one, though.

 

[Patejdl]

Checkmite : Why is the Alex Jones definition of new world order the only one you think people know?? No I don't beleive in total enslavement because that is unreal, I don't beleiving destroying US because that is unreal. The Alex Jones definition is crazy and unreal. And exactly no direct evidence for that.

I just beleive in a more aggresive globalism. Even alot of normal people think that it is natural in the future to become more like a more homogenous mass of people. And to that woman. I was very carefull only to say the facts I'm most sure on. There is no way to say her initiation is bogus because as all people with good knowledge of freemasonry know that there are many forms from coopoeration to just some wanabee groups. Also deep knowledge of freemasonry has nothing to do with my point that when people with influence come together they can try to shape things. And this is a very precise example of a few foreign business people that happened to have political ties in this country to install a puppet of theirs in order to help their business (I know which companies). The primary mechanism behind this had basicaly nothing to do with freemasonry. Freemasonry is just a way to higher your probability of meeting influental people because just like you said they get high on feeling elite and they like to meet people on their "same" level. People accuse freemasonry if being evil and I don't know what but that's BS. It's just a meeting. What people do after the meetings is their business.

What is most interesting on this debate was the fact how quickly you've come to your conclusions which even resulted in putting words/ideas in my mouth that weren't true. This is something what inteligent people when even meeting the most crazy ones should never do. I know you meet crazy people on this board all the time but beware of this behavior. You'll look more stupid like the stupid ones.

People also jump conclusions about Ron Paul. Like he wants to save us from a Alex Jones type new world order. All he has done is that he joked around the well known speech old Bush had where he mentioned new world order. He didn't say really anything more than that. It does not make him an conspiracy nut at all. Even when he talks about NAU he takes it very realistically and he doesn't sound like Alex Jones at all. If you look at NAU it is a fact that there are people who beleive in the NAU ideology. But that doesn't automaticaly mean that they are working on it. What people who beleive in NAU ideology definitely do is that they refine their ideology. Nothing much else can be said.

What's so great about Ron Paul is that you have to spend really quite alot of time thinking to understand his ideas. Not even the mayority of his supporters do really understand his words and ieas. You don't have to have the same views on foreign policy like he does or his views on the economic issues. But you just can't go swimming in the same wave with all the stupid people who call him names like crackpot, crazy or radical.

And this is the reason why he probably won't get elected. He's just too complicated and even people who're able to think rather just jump conclusions that some dumb ones invented.

You can say he already succeded because he already done his part in bringing some of the "old" knowledge back for the young people to atleast think about. I share the same view on young people like Randi that young people can learn but the older ones are impossible to teach something.

 

[Checkmite]

People also jump conclusions about Ron Paul. Like he wants to save us from a Alex Jones type new world order. All he has done is that he joked around the well known speech old Bush had where he mentioned new world order. He didn't say really anything more than that.

He said that he believes the UN is part of the New World Order. When asked about the NWO, he answers with a completely straight face and rolls it right into his baloney about the NAU, so you can't tell me that all he has done was "joke" about it.

It does not make him an conspiracy nut at all. Even when he talks about NAU he takes it very realistically and he doesn't sound like Alex Jones at all. If you look at NAU it is a fact that there are people who beleive in the NAU ideology. But that doesn't automaticaly mean that they are working on it. What people who beleive in NAU ideology definitely do is that they refine their ideology. Nothing much else can be said.

No, it's much more than that. Ron Paul isn't concerned that a few people here and there have merely come up with the idea of a North American Union. He has explicitly indicated that he believes there is a massive, concerted effort on the part of "a lot of people in Washington" to destroy the United States as a country by creating the NAU, and this is simply not true. Since there hasn't been a single politician in Washington who has espoused this idea, the implication is that this project is being done secretly, against the will of the American people. And that sounds pretty much EXACTLY like what Alex Jones says.

 

[Patejdl]

There's no end to your paranoia which you beautifuly manifestated right here. You don't even seem to understand what is NAU or what should NAU be about. Did Ron Paul ever say NAU's goal is to destroy United States as a country?? Massive effort?? Where on earth do you get these words??? Oh I know... Alex Jones. If you want to talk about RP in future, please debate only his exact words and not what you think he thinks or implies because it takes 10 seconds to objectively state that it goes against the only source of objective information and that are his words.

If you think he's an Alex Kones type conspiracy theorist just continue even when there's no objective fact backing up your way of thinking about him. It's like you use a 6th sense or something. Or like you read it from his face. Oh he looks kooky, he should be a conspiracy nut. This behavior is not really Randi if you ask me mr Checkmite

I think I have said enough in this thread. Now let's hear your last words and it's a rap.

 

[Checkmite]

How about we hear Ron Paul's words.



Right from his own mouth. The UN is part of the NWO, and "They" are working "very significantly for a North American Union", and "that's why there's a lot of people in Washington that don't care too much about our borders".

You may sit down now.

 

[Patejdl]

One of the first videos I've seen about RP.

 

[volatile]

One of the first videos I've seen about RP.

You claim to be a Ron Paul supporter but have never listened to any of his speeches, or policy statements, or interviews? What exactly do you do before deciding to support a candidate if not watch them, listen to them and read critiques of their opinions?

 

[dudalb]

You claim to be a Ron Paul supporter but have never listened to any of his speeches, or policy statements, or interviews? What exactly do you do before deciding to support a candidate if not watch them, listen to them and read critiques of their opinions?

That is not uncommon among the Paul supporters.
Fact is Paul is a sort of Rosharch pattern for a lot of the more militant Anti Establishment types. His policies are unimportant compared to the fact he is seen as being against "The Establishment".
I have engaged in on line talks with Paul supporters who disagree with 90% of his stands on individual issues but still support him.
It's is a little like the Perot campaign back in 1992..except Perot stands on issues were a lot more vague.

 

[Richard Masters]

That is not uncommon among the Paul supporters.
Fact is Paul is a sort of Rosharch pattern for a lot of the more militant Anti Establishment types. His policies are unimportant compared to the fact he is seen as being against "The Establishment".
I have engaged in on line talks with Paul supporters who disagree with 90% of his stands on individual issues but still support him.
It's is a little like the Perot campaign back in 1992..except Perot stands on issues were a lot more vague.

"That is not uncommon among the Paul supporters."

Is that right? I don't know any Ron Paul supporters who don't follow the debates and know every candidate's general policies.

Perhaps this is the case of newer supporters, but that would be true for any candidate. The way some people vote sometimes is no different than flipping a coin to chose between two familiar sounding names within your preferred political party.

 

[leftysergeant]

Perhaps this is the case of newer supporters, but that would be true for any candidate. The way some people vote sometimes is no different than flipping a coin to chose between two familiar sounding names within your preferred political party.

Well, when most of the candidates in your own party are orders of magnitude brighter and more fit for office than the majority of the other party's candidates, that is not that bad a way to go. Of the top three Dems, I only have qualms about one.

The fact remains that whereever most of what Paul advocates has been tried (like Chile) it took a monster head of state to impose it and it totally sucked.

 

[Richard Masters]

Well, when most of the candidates in your own party are orders of magnitude brighter and more fit for office than the majority of the other party's candidates, that is not that bad a way to go. Of the top three Dems, I only have qualms about one.

In this specific election I have to agree with you. And you probably object to the same "Democrat" that I do.

The fact remains that whereever most of what Paul advocates has been tried (like Chile) it took a monster head of state to impose it and it totally sucked.

It didn't take a monster head of state to impose it. On the contrary. The dictator had no idea how to manage the country, so he accepted the help of Friedman and other economists.

They implemented a series of free market reforms during a world-wide recession. The country didn't begin to improve economically until Chile made its currency a floating currency.

Soon afterward, they became a democracy. They are one of the top economies in the region, and it is ranked #11 world-wide.

Friedman never advocated using repressive techniques of government, (these are not libertarian), and he only met with Pinochet briefly.

 

[Patejdl]

You claim to be a Ron Paul supporter but have never listened to any of his speeches, or policy statements, or interviews? What exactly do you do before deciding to support a candidate if not watch them, listen to them and read critiques of their opinions?

Am I bad in using past tenses or do people really hear(read) things?? I've said I've seen that video a very long time ago and it was one of the first about RP. And i've seen every video possible with RP about this issue

 

[Oliver]

For MAGZ:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ItmcIxe5Fs
Added: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ji_Ft23BDw&feature=related

 

[volatile]

Am I bad in using past tenses or do people really hear(read) things?? I've said I've seen that video a very long time ago and it was one of the first about RP. And i've seen every video possible with RP about this issue

You need to learn some grammar then.

Do you still dispute that his stance on the NAU is conspiratorial?

 

[OneShotKi11]

You need to learn some grammar then.

Do you still dispute that his stance on the NAU is conspiratorial?

How is his stance conspiratorial if all he has said is that it has been discussed and wasnt a thing of complete fiction?

Do you honestly think the idea has never been proposed before and turned down?
Do you honestly think we didnt look at Europe and consider it?
Wonder what that would be like and if it would work/benifit America!

The idea is around hence it (NAU) making the news more then a few times!

 

[leftysergeant]

Soon afterward, they became a democracy. They are one of the top economies in the region, and it is ranked #11 world-wide.

And they are still trying to unravel the disaster that Friedman inflicted on them. The collapse was DUE TO what Friedman and the people who opened the door for him did. Friedman was most of what was wrong with Chile ecconomicly. Socially and politically, the fault rests with whatever moron in our government thought it would be a good idea to over-throw Allende and install a Friedmanite ecconomic system. The Chileans would probably shoot him if they got their hands on the US mastermind. Things got better after they got rid of the Friedmanite enabler Pinochet.

Friedman never advocated using repressive techniques of government, (these are not libertarian), and he only met with Pinochet briefly.

No country has ever accepted, implimented and long tolerated his BS other than at the point of a bayonet for good reasons. His theories are stupid. All that the Chilean experiment in dystopia proved was that capitalism and liberty are not really related.

 

[Richard Masters]

And they are still trying to unravel the disaster that Friedman inflicted on them.

Evidence?

His theories are stupid.

Which ones and why?