Are All Conspiracy Theories False?

defaultdotxbe said:
and how long did nixon manage to keep that covered up? and there was only what, 5 people involved?
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Well, there were 5 who broke into the Watergate Hotel, plus Hunt, Liddy, Haldeman, Mitchell, Colson, Ehrlichman, MacGruder, LaRue, and of course, Nixon himself. Still only a dozen or so people. How many people must have been involved if 9/11 really was a conspiracy?
 
TruthSeeker1234 said:
Of course Nazism was a conspiracy. The German people were told they were under attack, that the "Communists" wanted to get them. While Hitler made public statements about the depression being the fault of "jewish bankers", the policy of mass murder was top-secret. Thousands of operatives kept silent as they went about their horrific business.

If Germany had won the war, the holocaust would be a conspiracy theory, denied to this day.
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TruthhSeeker, your ability to comprehend structural engeneering and physics is equal to your understanding of history.

http://www.shoaheducation.com/endlosung.html

How can you say that this is going on in your own country?

It amazes me the lenghts some people will go to in order to validate their fears and boost their political agenda.
 
The notion that large secrets involving thousands of people cannot be kept is betrayed by the facts. Consider the NSA. Here is an entire government agency founded in the 1940's, and kept secret for decades until the 1980's.

Consider the overthrow of Iran in 1953. Our black ops did it, and covered it up for decades. Nicaragua. Indonesia. It goes on and on. Guys, you have no earthy idea what the U.S. "intelligence" community is up to right now. It's a secret. Involving many people. We must assume these people are operating in their own self-interest, as economic theory teaches us that it is folly to assume otherwise.
 
Lisa Simpson said:
Well, there were 5 who broke into the Watergate Hotel, plus Hunt, Liddy, Haldeman, Mitchell, Colson, Ehrlichman, MacGruder, LaRue, and of course, Nixon himself. Still only a dozen or so people. How many people must have been involved if 9/11 really was a conspiracy?
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i think we should establish this precedent, for every 12 conspirators there is one deep throat :)
 
Lisa Simpson said:
One might be able to argue that Woodward and Bernstein were investigating a conspiracy theory, ie, Nixon conspired with others to break into the Watergate Hotel and then cover it up. But then they found evidence that it really happened.
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And I'm sure that if there was something, anything, out there that was true evidence that 911 was an inside job there are thousands of Woodwards and Bernsteins who would jump at the chance to become famous.

There are people who would even risk death to bring out a story like that, so folks claiming everybody is afraid to 'speak up' are full of it.

IMO, there is a reason why many 911 conspiracy theories have not, and will never, enter the mainstream; it's because they aren't true.
 
jimtron said:
OK, but my point is that even if Germany won the war, the Holocaust would not be unkown to the rest of the world.
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Off course it wouldn´t be unknown. I don´t know wich details the foreign intelligence had about the Konzentrationslager, but they definitively knew about the "Jewish Ghettos" like the polnish ones. (about 500! Ghettos in Poland, Russia and Greek as well)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghetto
 
TruthSeeker1234 said:
On the physical science by itself, Occam's razor clearly slices in favor of controlled demolition. This is because we know that controlled demolitions can occur, they have occured many times in the past.
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Yes, but can they occur in three HUGE occupied office buildings, in the world's busiest financial district whitout anyone noticing it? NO

Terrorist plots and attacks have happenned in the past. Attacks on a massive scale have been twarted many times.
 
TruthSeeker1234 said:
The notion that large secrets involving thousands of people cannot be kept is betrayed by the facts. Consider the NSA. Here is an entire government agency founded in the 1940's, and kept secret for decades until the 1980's.

Consider the overthrow of Iran in 1953. Our black ops did it, and covered it up for decades. Nicaragua. Indonesia. It goes on and on. Guys, you have no earthy idea what the U.S. "intelligence" community is up to right now. It's a secret. Involving many people. We must assume these people are operating in their own self-interest, as economic theory teaches us that it is folly to assume otherwise.
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these are different, both of these involve only NSA and CIA employees (and in the case of ajx, only a handful of CIA agents) and you wouldnt be in the NSA or CIA if you couldnt keep a secret

9/11 would have involved thousands of people OUTSIDE of govt agencies, such as CD experts, structural engineers, firefighters, FAA employees, etc, THESE are the people would not keep the secret
 
TruthSeeker1234 said:
On the physical science by itself, Occam's razor clearly slices in favor of controlled demolition. This is because we know that controlled demolitions can occur, they have occured many times in the past. It requires no new theory to explain it. Thus controlled demolition is a far simpler explanation than the brand-new "gravity disintegrates the quarter mile high skyscraper" hypothesis.
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actually you have that backwards, the towers collapsed, due to the damage sustained explosives were not needed, an dno evidence of explosives were found, therefore controlled demolition is an unnecessary entity, and according to ockhams razor, should be eliminated
 
Does it even matter? Most are so unfalsifiable they're not even worth considering.

But anyway...

If you and I had been hanging around Germany in the 1930's, and I would have said there was huge government conspiracy brewing, one that involved false-flag terror, mass-murder of German citizens, the suspension of elections, a police state, and plans for global conquest; would you have questioned my sanity?
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Please don't trivialize the holocaust by equating it with CT drivel!
 
Pardalis said:
You're starting to scare me defaultboxe... Are you saying all controlled demolitions should be eliminated? :eye-poppi
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in cases where the buildings were severely damaged an din danger of flaling on their own, and no evidence of explosives or other demolition methods were found afterward, yes :)
 
Pardalis said:
I don't know what is worst, people who deny the holocaust or people who use it for their own political agenda.
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I think that some deniers are just simple people with to simple minds to realize that something like this could happen.

The dangerous ones are the ones who push political views and

the worst ones are the deniers who know the truth and push their agenda nevertheless.
 
Pardalis said:
Yeah, I think "denial" somehow involves the fact that the person is aware that it is wrong.
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Not necessarily - some are just to naive to realize it. It just don´t "fit in their minds". These people are harmless and i´m not angry because of these type of deniers. In contrary to the agenda-[Rule8].
 
Default has a good point. CIA and NSA agents sign secrecy oaths and God knows what else. They don't talk because they know that if they do in any identifiable way they're going to go to federal prison. It's the NON-CIA people that are going to talk. There would have to have been thousands of people involved in a 9/11 controlled-demolition conspiracy. And if even one of them talked, it'd all come crashing down. The human element is always the weakest in any conspiracy.
 
TruthSeeker1234 said:
Have there never been any government conspiracies, ever? I just want to understand the mindset of the JREFs. Do you dismiss conspiracies out of hand, or take them on a case by case basis? Are there any alleged conspiracies that you accept as the truth?
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The problem with CTists, and Loosers specifically, is that they believe if one conspiracy is true then they all must be true.

Take a look at this thread that Brainster started showing what Dylan Avery is planning for his movie Loose Change: Final Cut. It's a long list of CTs throughout history. Apparently Dylan thinks that if he prove these other conspiracies were true then it makes his 9/11 conspiracy true. That's the way these Loosers think.

Steve S
 
Umm, a point I think is being missed here:

The Holocaust was the direct result of a paranoid conspiracy theory, the Nazi belief that there was a vast Jewish conspiracy aimed at world domination and that all of humanity's problems could be explained by the existence of that conspiracy.

The same principle applied to the Stalinist witch-hunts against "kulaks", "wreckers" and "counterrevolutionaries", and to the persecutions perpetrated by the Cultural Revolution in China.

The conspiracist belief that all the trouble in the world is caused by some shadowy cabal of evildoers leads logically to the belief that the world's troubles can be ended by eliminating the evildoing group.

That, in turn, supports the commission of atrocities against whatever real-world group is unlucky enough to be chosen to represent the nonexistent Great Big Eeevil Conspiracy.

The conspiracist mode of thought starts by assigning blame to a chosen hate-object, to which near-supernatural powers of control, manipulation, deception and concealment are attributed as needed to fill the holes in the conspiracy narrative. It goes on to try to hammer and file the evidence into fitting this ideologically predetermined conclusion, while allowing no possibility of the conclusion being falsified. It also attempts to misdirect people's real discontents and resentments into aggression against the hate-object.

It's that way of thinking that leads to the KZ and the Gulag, not reality-based skepticism.
 
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