Anyone know Feng Shui theory?

Kilik said:
Neijia, simply refers to a club formed in the 1800s between Taijiquan, xingyiquan, and baguazhang masters, and they cross trained.
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So don't claim I don't know this

This however, in no way proves that they aren't seperate independant arts, just becasue some have mixed them together, such as Sun Lu Tang. Both Taiji and Xinyi are older than 1800s. Bagua is also independant and independantly developed
 
And you have in no way proven that I ever claimed that they were not "seperate independant arts".

That may be what you thought, but it clearly is not what I said.

On the other hand, it is very clear what 'you are the only one who thinks so' means, and I have proven you completely wrong there...it is accepted by others ( and now apparently claimed by you) that HsingYi has developed from the other arts into it's Neijia versions today.
 
You have a bad habbit of speaking for other people.

No one but you has ever claimed xingyi comes from Taiji. They are different arts, older than the 1800s. Your whole chronology, as quoted above, is ****ed

Your statement is incorrect, xingyiquan is older than Neijia(inner circle art, 3 IMAs) in the meaning you're using( different than mythological Zhang San Feng Neijia, which means chinese Taoism as opposed to indian buddhism), or any hybrid art like Sun style Taijiquan

You proved absolutely nothing, in fact you've said basically nothing, exept that you haven't a clue on the differences between arts, or the history of their development

You couldn't even show the missing "mythological neijiaquan sytem of the distant past, missing link" exists


And yet there do in fact exist Taoist systems thousands of years old, but you get confused past 300 years. You know there are older martial arts than IMA's like long fist, luihequan styles, luhe bafa etc. actually, but Taiji and XIngyi are independant different arts.

BTW, you might want to look into learning a bit about basic philosophy-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bagua

:)
 
Trouble is, you can't produce any such quotes from me....because you made them up yourself.

We do have the quote where I did not say that Taijiquan was older than HisingYi...and backed up what I did say with a link proving that other people, believe that HsingYi today 'developed' using things 'from' other arts...including Taijiquan....

But you think it is OK to keep repeating that lie, even after you have been proven wrong.

You might want to stick to your pyramids and magical Taoist practices, I'm afraid that reality is not working too well for you.
 
crimresearch on 04-15-2005 said:
Actually Taijiquan, XingYi, Yiquan, and Baguazhang are all developd from Chen...a lot of politics obscured that until very recently.
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Nope...Chen, then the old Yang Chen Fu shuffle, then the rest.
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http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=55199

This just not true. There's no evidence of this. THere's no "neijiaquan" missing link unifying the 3 systems in the past, and xingyi and bagua certainly do not come from Chen.
 
RapmasterT said:
A co-worker of mine recently discovered feng shui and has set about feng-ing up her cubicle space to maximize the flow of positive energy through her workspace. When I scoffed a bit, she stated that it's a completely natural force of nature and there's nothing paranormal about it at all.

When I pointed out that by diverting positive energy flows to her workspace, she was inherently stealing it from the people surrounding her and therefore the entire concept of feng shui was evil (yeah, I get bored at work a lot).

She huffed that "it doesn't work that way" and I countered with "if it's not paranormal and perfectly natural then it must be a consumable resource. If you take more, there's less for others".

I suspect the only reason the conversation went on as long as it did was that neither of us really know squat about feng shui.

So could someone with more knowledge either bolster my theory or shoot it down?
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The delight of Feng Shui is that the more someone knows about it, the more things around the office bug the crap out of them.
(I wonder if anyone has written a paper comparing it to Voodoo).

A more amusing tack for you would be to claim that her efforts were causing you to have bad luck. 'Bad luck' is a form of feng shui attack that goes back to ancient times.

And not to spoil your fun, which sounds considerable, but (depending on where you live) there are workplace laws that protect these kinds of expression. Careful out there.






If you believe it they will come.
 
Kilik said:
This just not true. There's no evidence of this. THere's no "neijiaquan" missing link unifying the 3 systems in the past, and xingyi and bagua certainly do not come from Chen.
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One more time, since you are nothing if not persistent in your ignorance...'developed from'.

Those other arts today have developed part of their totality by incoporating things from Taijiquan...including Chen concepts that came to Taiji and then the others from nowhere else.

You mentioned Sun...but you don't have a clue that he is one of those who developed a HsingYi method by synthesizing things from Taji, do you?

Sun Lu Tang - A Brief Chronology of His Life

1861 Born. His given name was Sun Fu Quan.

1861-1871
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Worked as a servant for a rich man.
Learned Shaolin Hung Boxing from Master Wu.
Lived with and worked for his uncle, and studied calligraphy.
Started learning Hsing I Quan martial arts from Li Kui-Yuan.
Sun Lu-Tang became a formal discipline of Li Kui-Yuan

1882 Started learning Hsing I Quan from Guo Yun Shen.

1891 Started learning Dragon style Pa Kua Chuan from the famous
Pa Kua master Cheng T'ing Hua.(1848-1900)

1894 Started using the name 'Sun Lu Tang' given to him by Cheng T'ing Hua

1894 Studied Yi Jing theory and Emei Qigong in mountains of Sichuan

1895 Studied Taoism in the Wu Dang Mountains

1896 Established the Pu Yang Boxing Association in Bao Ding

1911 Learned Wu Yu-xiang style of Taijiquan from Hao Wei Chen (1849-1920)
Sun was 50 years of age when he learned Wu Yu-xiang style Taiji.

1912 Sun began creating Sun style Taijiquan
http://www.egreenway.com/taichichuan/sun22.htm

Sun Lu Tang's Style of Xing Yi Quan
"...many consider Sun Lu Tang to be the highest level master of Hopei style Hsing I Ch'uan that has ever lived..."
Xing Yi Quan Xue: The Study of Form-Mind Boxing. By Sun Lu Tang.

This book was first published in 1915.
http://www.egreenway.com/taichichuan/hsingyi.htm
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So unless you have a time machine, and can only study ancient unmodified arts prior to their development into integrated systems, the statement that Hsingyi today has developed from Taiji, stands.

Now if you have evidence that the things which are found in the original (Chen) Taijiquan, but not in earlier versions of Hsingyi did NOT get there from Taiji, in spite of the historical linkages, feel free to post it.
 
Taijiquan and Xingyiquan are both older than Sun Lu Tang

Baguazhang was not developed from Taiji, it was developed and created by Dong Hai CHuan the teacher of Cheng Ting Hua who taught Sun Lu Tang according to you. All 3 arts existed before him so how does that support your point in any way? It doesn't

Sun style is the most recent style of Taijiquan
 
The Ba Gua: China's Introduction to Binary.

:D

The basics of Feng Shui are essentially common-sense concepts on establishing a household in Feudal China. Consider the setting: a mountain to one side, a river to the opposite, with a path to your door that is not straight, but varied or broken-up.

Well, duh. Mountain so that you're not on flat (flooded) land; a river so you have ready access to water; and a path to your door that won't allow direct invasion. Gee, was that hard to figure out?
 
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