Anyone heard about this dude? (pavelprorok on youtube)

[Pope130]

I don’t know why they are like that.. You need to learn to WIN and learn how to lose.. In the and of the day.. If you know you are real reapply.. JREF let you do so in a year if I am not mistaken.. get together all mistakes reasons etc and produce better test.. as simple as that

Pavel,
The Challenge is coming to an end in about two years. If you are depending on re-applying after an initial failure you better get on with it.

 

[Marcus]

Yep, you don't know. Beforehand.

Afterwards, failed challengers are usually very creative.

I'll even tell you one reason why: They can't accept that their mighty powers have not been detected in a proper test and they have to save face and rationalize the thousands of hours they invested in their undetectable powers. They need to believe. And rationalizing their belief is the top priority.

We'll see how you fare, Pavel.

Who could forget Edge's test. After the test, he claimed he was lying when he said the conditions were fine. Turned out there were lots of things that screwed up his powers, like gold lettering(which didn't contain any gold). Perhaps Pavel will do better.

 

[Marcus]

It means.. like a thunder storm in the middle of test.. that will cause allot of noise and a headache for me. Some other thing that would not allow me to concentrate and perform it my best… I don’t know some one on purpose will come in t-shirt with all possible and brightest colors.. or with allot of pictures on it..etc.. and constantly will be walking infront of me.. any thing that beond control of JREF and MY and conditions that was agreed.

That is reasonable, of course. Such things would violate the testing agreement. As long as the objections are blatant like you described, and not a subtle nitpick. Any such objections will be more credible coming during a test where you don't know any partial results.

 

[Crundy]

An open test beforehand usually eliminates this. If the subject can perform the test unblinded but not blinded then it is their ability and not the protocol / environment that is flawed.

 

[Akhenaten]

I don’t know why they are like that.. You need to learn to WIN and learn how to lose.. In the and of the day.. If you know you are real reapply.. JREF let you do so in a year if I am not mistaken.. get together all mistakes reasons etc and produce better test.. as simple as that

Well said Pavel.

As near as I can tell, you've done everything the JREF has asked of you. You've listened to the advice of people here trying to help you, worked hard at developing your protocol and risen above the criticism with humour and an unshakeable faith in yourself.

I find that being prepared, in the event of failure, to dust yourself down and start again, having learned from any mistakes, is an admirable thing.


Cheers,

Dave


PS The reason "they are like that" is that most of 'em are complete fruitcakes. If you read some of the other threads here, you'll know who I mean

 

[pavel_do]

Well said Pavel.

As near as I can tell, you've done everything the JREF has asked of you. You've listened to the advice of people here trying to help you, worked hard at developing your protocol and risen above the criticism with humour and an unshakeable faith in yourself.

I find that being prepared, in the event of failure, to dust yourself down and start again, having learned from any mistakes, is an admirable thing.


Cheers,

Dave


PS The reason "they are like that" is that most of 'em are complete fruitcakes. If you read some of the other threads here, you'll know who I mean

Thanks mate,

Well from my side I done what I could and still doing..
So hopefully things will go faster now from JREF side.. really wanted to be tested while I am here this time. There is still some time. I am leaving the US on last week of August.

 

[pavel_do]

An open test beforehand usually eliminates this. If the subject can perform the test unblinded but not blinded then it is their ability and not the protocol / environment that is flawed.

Why people cant even allow the chance that blinding the results can affect the “powers” of the claimant.. It does not affect the results of odd.
Knowing the results does not affect any odds in my case.. as every time chance of getting say 1 or 2 pout of 5 is the same.. It is not that I am asking to open first envelope immediately and then second that would allow me to illuminate one wrong “guess” or like if I had to get 5 out of then and asked to open them after each answer that would help to beat odds.. by illuminating every wrong card..
But in other case it is not make any difference.. because the JREF want 1000 odds to be covered for preliminary test… I think even if u would rely on some kind of calculations what ever.. covering 1.000 odds is not something that u can reach by let say.. I have to get one out of 3.. so I got first an apple.. so I think there is not much chance that second will be apple.. so I go for naming different card.. in fact there all possible chanced that apple will be every time out of 100… so it does not help really?
Do I make any sense??
Another think.. for really long time.. I was practicing.. ( not learning as u cant learn it unless u can do that but can practice to improve it by comparing your senses ..visions etc.. again it does not help to make powers stronger.. u have what u have.. Just learn to work with it..) so over a year I was practicing and obviously every time doing that opening the envelope to see whether I am right or wrong that the way it work.. I have used to see the result straight a way. even from psychological side it make me more comfortable.. I said honestly I tried to make runs when I don’t know results.. and my results way to far from even u get by chance.. I think it make difference in my case and not because like some people say.. if you cant do that not knowing the results that u cant.. WHY NOT? I predict what photo there I didn’t claim to read it by my skin.. I predict and my prediction the best when I can see it straight after I named it..
As I said if some one can beat 1000 odds by guessing even knowing the results immediately.. show me that person.. cause knowing the result does not make different in odd and 1.000 to one it is not something u get by calculations..

When JREF test telekinesis.. the lady has to move key on the string in a jar.. NO ONE covers jar from the claimant.. in order not to allow him to see whether it is moving or not..isnt it? right some one say.. it has nothing to do with my test.. ..but I say it does not make any difference.

 

[GzuzKryzt]

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Do I make any sense??
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Making sense: Two successful tests of your claim to be a clairvoyant.

 

[pavel_do]

sorry my post came double... have to remove one..

 

[pavel_do]

Making sense: Two successful tests of your claim to be a clairvoyant.

I am ready even for 3 test.. if need be.. cause I am sure every time I will show the results that way above the chance.
With the test with pairs that I sort of came back again. I have tried again today.. I got 25 correct out of 30 forst time and 23 out of 30 in a second trial. If that would be a test I am ready to be tested tomorrow with it. Same I would be able to chouse my self the envelope that I name.. even if I have to do that with 1 out of 3.. to make less trial.. I am ready.. cause I discovered that my results way better when I am chousing the envelope that I am sure most of.
Dick Startz how many times would I need to get 1 out of 3 to beat 1 .000 odds. I think that would make less triples need than pairs so and less time.. if the problem in time of test and runs.. cause the price .. id should not make any difference to JREF as I am the one who pay for photos and envelopes.

 

[GzuzKryzt]

I am ready even for 3 test.. if need be.. cause I am sure every time I will show the results that way above the chance.
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Save your energy for the actual preliminary test, Pavel. No applicant so far has succeeded. But many have sounded off like you.

 

[Crundy]

Why people cant even allow the chance that blinding the results can affect the “powers” of the claimant

If the blinding affects the outcome of the test then this means you cannot perform the task you claim, simple as that. Sorry. If I said I can detect which flowerpot out of 10 has a gold nugget under it with my superpowers, and I can do it 100% of the time when I know which one it is under, but only 10% of the time when I don't, then I will have to come to terms with the fact that I cannot detect which flowerpot has the gold nugget under it without knowing in advance.

 

[Startz]

I am ready even for 3 test.. if need be.. cause I am sure every time I will show the results that way above the chance.
With the test with pairs that I sort of came back again. I have tried again today.. I got 25 correct out of 30 forst time and 23 out of 30 in a second trial. If that would be a test I am ready to be tested tomorrow with it. Same I would be able to chouse my self the envelope that I name.. even if I have to do that with 1 out of 3.. to make less trial.. I am ready.. cause I discovered that my results way better when I am chousing the envelope that I am sure most of.
Dick Startz how many times would I need to get 1 out of 3 to beat 1 .000 odds. I think that would make less triples need than pairs so and less time.. if the problem in time of test and runs.. cause the price .. id should not make any difference to JREF as I am the one who pay for photos and envelopes.

Getting 20 out of 30 would do.
Getting 15 out of 20 would do.

Pavel, you've offered to do this in many different arrangements. My advice is to not worry about how many you are choosing until you get some feedback from JREF as to what they want.
-Dick

 

[pavel_do]

Getting 20 out of 30 would do.
Getting 15 out of 20 would do.

Pavel, you've offered to do this in many different arrangements. My advice is to not worry about the how many you are choosing until you get some feedback from JREF as to what they want.
-Dick

yes you right.. lets wait and see...

 

[Startz]

Pavel,

Any further feedback from JREF?

 

[Akhenaten]

They're busy fighting off the Attack of the Globulies in a protracted Stellar Battle.

Sorry. I'll get my coat.

 

[GzuzKryzt]

yes you right.. lets wait and see...

I have said it before: When one contacts the JREF via one's private e-mail account, it usually shortens the response time.

Pavel, if you have not heard anything for a week, I would inquire at the JREF and politely (no sarcasm, seriously) ask for a date when I could await a response.

 

[pavel_do]

No, still no reply.. for any of 2 emails that I have sent to them... one was the answer for there letter and the other one is I asked if we can go for test with pairs or one out of 3.. as that reduce the number of photos and time for the test..
I will email them later today if there will be no letter by the end of the day. Private email does not help.. I know it from last time.. it does not made any difference.. at least in my case..

 

[pavel_do]

I have sent an email...

Hello,

It was over a week now since I have sent you 2 email, and haven’t heard from you with a reply for any of my email. I just wonder when would I be able to expect the reply.. and maybe any suggestions and your opinion about my offers in one of the letter where I offered maybe to come back to the test with 1 of 3 or with pairs.. that would reduce number of photos and time for test.. that JREF so concerned about..
I will appreciate your reply.
Regards,
Pavel

p.s. and copy of it in P.M. to Remiev.. just in case if my email losts somewhere between bunch of other emails that they deal with...

P.P.S

Got the reply.
They will get back to me as soon as, just very busy at the moment and allot of applicants.

 

[Startz]

Pavel:

Thanks for keeping us informed. I guess we'll all have to hope that JREF can shake loose enough time to finish negotiating a satisfactory protocol.