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Anthrax False Flag Conspiracy

I thought the 19 guys did it since they were leaving anyway. They were not going to get caught. I wonder if the idiots had it on board the aircraft and it all burned up. IDIOTS>…

Or it was a crazy loon from our own labs who got loose but was found by the CIA after the new rules for sharing law enforcement after 9/11 took effect. I can see some scientist floating, or dead in an accident to cover up a very embarrassing moment in US labs.

But we did have defense for anthrax, we were ready for Saddam to use it.

My number 3 dumb idea!!! Saddam did it but the ties to us are too embarrassing, so Bush did his best to go get the idiot, we just finished. Bush does not care to bring it up. He is upset Iraq is going bad and wants to go home! Yet Iraq has the least combat deaths per month of all US wars except the Revolution (even the gulf war when Saddam was shooting at me). But my number 3 is Saddam did it and we will know in 20 to 30 years from now.

Do I get a CT badge for this? Or was I beat? A dumb ct badge will do; or earned!
 
You all seem to think there's no controls or procedures for these substances, like they ship it by FedEx. Beachnut isn't even trying to speculate where 19 nobodies from nowhere got military anthrax, it just fits more snugly into a narrow world view.

Also amusing is how you have no problem theorizing the CIA killing an American scientist and making it look like an accident.
 
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Dazed said:
Why don't you read this post:
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2244742&postcount=12

And then look at what my first statement actually was.
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I still don't know what you're getting at.

Even assuming the anthrax mailed was "weapons grade," it was not a match to US weapons stocks. Only the strain matched.

Anthrax can be made "weapons grade" without the resources of Ft. Detrick. Heck, my wife could do it in her lab, except (a) she has no anthrax and (b) she's not pure evil.

Once again, I'm waiting for you to give me any evidence at all that the anthrax originated from Ft. Detrick, and not one of the other "at least" 21 known stocks, of which six are not in the USA.
 
Oliver said:
But you would agree that it would have been a false
flag operation if the anthrax came directly from a us
military laboratory, wouldn´t you?
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No, it could be a nut case; now floating away. Maybe the idiot got on one of the 9/11 flights, like 77 to go send some more from the west coast; I need to write this script and make it silently dovetail into a chance at ironic justice as the nut case American Scientist boards flight 77 with lots of letters for the west coast addressed to all his fav targets!

CT badge for me.

No our government does not usually get away with false flag stuff. No one wants to kill their friends by accident; even a congressperson who we all love so dearly.

Who can write good fiction?
 
beachnut said:
CT badge for me.

No our government does not usually get away with false flag stuff. No one wants to kill their friends by accident; even a congressperson who we all love so dearly.

Who can write good fiction?
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I´m sorry but i can´t sew a badge for making
up the wildest CT-fairytales. This would mean
that i also have to honor Alex Jones with such
a badge - and you really don´t want me to do
such nasty things, do you? :covereyes
 
Dazed said:
You all seem to think there's no controls or procedures for these substances, like they ship it by FedEx. Beachnut isn't even trying to speculate where 19 nobodies from nowhere got military anthrax, it just fits more snugly into a narrow world view.

Also amusing is how you have no problem theorizing the CIA killing an American scientist and making it look like an accident.
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CT junk, just fiction, as you point out. If anyone one works for the company, I do not now know or have I ever know my post on this thread to be based on facts except those things that are common knowledge.

I agree, who would give the 19 terrorist the stuff.

I have no idea if the CIA/FBI/or PNAC found the bad guy and did a SciFi Fiction number on him.

And I have not researched Iraq being supplied buy us now or in the past.

I can say I truely deserve a loon CT patch for my nut case BS.

(if I was a CIA agent and I found the idiot he would be dead after I found all the stuff and all that helped; 24 episode is now ready!; I wish I could write) (told you; pure BS) (not even good)
 
Oliver said:
I´m sorry but i can´t sew a badge for making
up the wildest CT-fairytales. This would mean
that i also have to honor Alex Jones with such
a badge - and you really don´t want me to do
such nasty things, do you? :covereyes
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I agree! BS needs no badge.

I am sorry for all the bs but I think I am closer than any false flag junk! More than I know!
 
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R.Mackey said:
*snip* Anthrax can be made "weapons grade" without the resources of Ft. Detrick. Heck, my wife could do it in her lab, except (a) she has no anthrax and (b) she's not pure evil.*snip*
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According to Richard O. Spertzel: (expert in biological
warfare, germ warfare research at Fort Detrick, Maryland)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001_anthrax_attacks
Richard O. Spertzel
"In my opinion, there are maybe four or five people in the whole country who might be able to make this stuff, and I'm one of them." "And even with a good lab and staff to help run it, it might take me a year to come up with a product as good."[52]
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ETA:

@beachnut: But it would be great to see AJ´s face when
he get´s a JREF Badge - especially for the Fairytale-Part. :D
 
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Alienated white males did it

I'll bet the anthrax came, not from government operatives, but from right-wingers. Extreme right-wingers are very fond of anthrax:
For right-wing groups in particular, making false claims about anthrax is a weapon of choice. So frequent were the alarms that Neil Gallagher, assistant director of the FBI's national security division, has vented his frustration: "Not a day goes by without us hearing from somewhere in the US about an anthrax threat." In 1994, there were 27 stories listed in the New York Times's archive concerning "biological and chemical warfare" in the US. By 1998, it had risen to 278. Media interest – hoaxes were often treated in the press as though they had been real – plus a spate of films and novels sent fears about anthrax attacks spiraling upwards. This was not helped by William Cohen, the then defense secretary, appearing on national television with a bag of sugar in his hand and claiming an equal amount of anthrax would wipe out half the population of Washington.
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http://www.commondreams.org/headlines01/1021-02.htm

Anthrax attacks' 'work of neo-Nazis'

Neo-Nazi extremists within the US are behind the deadly wave of anthrax attacks against America, according to latest briefings from the security services and Justice Department.

Experts on 'survivalist' groups and extreme-right 'Aryan' militants have been drafted into the investigation as the focus shifts away from possible links with the 11 September terrorists or even possible state backers such as Iraq.

'We've been zeroing in on a number of hate groups, especially one on the West Coast,' a source at the Justice Department told The Observer yesterday. 'We've certainly not discounted the possibility that they may be involved.'
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http://observer.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,582222,00.html

In other words, the most likely suspects were alienated white males--close cousins of the conspiracy guys themselves.
 
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I thought the speculation from Day One was that the Anthrax could very well be from some disgrunteld nutjob in the US, because the method was so clumsily done to implicate muslims and the attempt was so ridiculously ineffective (showing a complete lack of knowledge of what Anthrax is or what it does).

Word that this was some doofus seizing 9/11 as his opportunity to follow through on some vendetta came out almost as soon as it happened. Though I will say this: if the real US government ever tried to actually pull off a false flag operation, it would look just like that. It would be just as retarded and incompetent as the Anthrax scare was.

The only difference is the perpetrator would have leaked it to the press at election time and made a book deal by now.
 
PerryLogan said:
I'll bet the anthrax came, not from government operatives, but from right-wingers. Extreme right-wingers are very fond of anthrax:
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines01/1021-02.htm

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,582222,00.html

In other words, the most likely suspects were alienated white males--close cousins of the conspiracy guys themselves.
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Which leads to the question who is able to
get his fingers on anthrax. I doubt that some
random Nazigroups are able to get it.

David Wong said:
Word that this was some doofus seizing 9/11 as his opportunity to follow through on some vendetta came out almost as soon as it happened. Though I will say this: if the real US government ever tried to actually pull off a false flag operation, it would look just like that. It would be just as retarded and incompetent as the Anthrax scare was.
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I don´t think it was retarded. It´s nearly impossible
for an "doofus" to get anthrax and handle it carefully.

David Wong said:
The only difference is the perpetrator would have leaked it to the press at election time and made a book deal by now.
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You named it ... What about war times since
it´s known that the decision to invade iraq was
made on 9/11 or very shortly after?
 
Dazed said:
Care to speculate how? I'm sure it will make the next great Bond flick.
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Er... surely you're aware of Iraq's extensive programme of accquiring nuclear, biological, and chemical weapons technology in the 1980's right? Anthrax was amongst those materials.

-Gumboot
 
gumboot said:
Er... surely you're aware of Iraq's extensive programme of accquiring nuclear, biological, and chemical weapons technology in the 1980's right? Anthrax was amongst those materials.

-Gumboot
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...coming from the us for "educational purposes". :boxedin:
 
Dazed said:
The third, well, you can postulate wild Indiana Jones stories about mad scientists with an agenda, while dodging the simplest explanation.
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There is still hope for you... that is what these pseudoskeptics always do.
 
Oliver said:
According to Richard O. Spertzel: (expert in biological
warfare, germ warfare research at Fort Detrick, Maryland)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001_anthrax_attacks
Richard O. Spertzel
"In my opinion, there are maybe four or five people in the whole country who might be able to make this stuff, and I'm one of them." "And even with a good lab and staff to help run it, it might take me a year to come up with a product as good."[52]
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Here we run into the problem that, because we don't know who did it, we also don't know how long it took them to do it. This guy is saying it'd take a year, but hey, maybe the Anthrax Guy spent ten years putting it all together. We won't know until and unless they actually catch him.

If he was someone who had access to a lab where they kept this strain, how much per year would he have to steal to get as much as was used in these attacks? Assume a 10 year plan, with maybe the first 5 years as set-up, so they trust him, and then 5 years of stealing. What was the total mass or volume of anthrax that was used? How much per year for 5 years? I'd think "not much".
 
Dazed said:
Why don't you read this post:
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2244742&postcount=12

And then look at what my first statement actually was.
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Your first post simply said that government involvement was necessitated. But it was your second statement that Mackey was quoting and responding to. You said "it originated from Fort Detrick" and Mackey said "No, there is no evidence that it came from Fort Detrick."

If you have evidence that it did come from Ft Detrick, please show it. We've seen evidence that the strain used is the Ames strain, which was derived from Anthrax developed at Detrick. But you can see that this is a very different thing, right?

You have also asserted that it was military grade anthrax, without supporting cites. I have read recent articles saying specifically that it was not military grade.
 
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