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Anthrax False Flag Conspiracy

It's weird - having read those articles, and others, it really does seem that the anthrax attacks do still have an area of mystery about them, and the facts are not yet known on any of the salient points.

Which brings me to ask a sociological question - why don't the CTers focus on this, where evidence is actually fairly slim, rather than collapse and the like which have been documented ad nauseam?
 
Dazed said:
Why don't you name a few of these wild jihadi bio research labs secretly siphoning off american anthrax to despotic unnamed governments, then?
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That is an uniquely silly post. If that information was available for someone to post here, it would also be available to the US military, and the location in question would long since have been converted to a smoking hole in the ground.

Hans
 
I'll bet the anthrax came, not from government operatives, but from right-wingers. Extreme right-wingers are very fond of anthrax:


Actually right wing nut jobs prefer Ricin - a toxin extracted castor oil beans
(which can contain up to 5% ricin). Ricin is fairly easy to extract, takes
little more than a simple coffee grinder (available at most stores) and common
solvents (acetone), again available almost everywhere and common coffee
filters. Several of these neo nazi types been arrested with ricin in their
possession.
 
mattlodder said:
Which brings me to ask a sociological question - why don't the CTers focus on this, where evidence is actually fairly slim, rather than collapse and the like which have been documented ad nauseam?
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Much smaller impact. Not enough "action".
 
I started the thread but since i know that the investigations
are still in progress, it´s senseless to me to speculate about
the issue until the investigations are finished. :)
 
Info you might already know, or it might be new:

BioPort in Lansing, Michigan, has the license to make Cipro. Carlyle Group owns it. Proves nothing, I know.

There are also some weird connections: Mike Irish was an editor at American Media (National Enquirer & The Sun). The American Media facility in Boca Raton received an anthrax letter. Bob Stevens, photo editor there, was the first victim.

Mike Irish's wife, Gloria, was the realtor who rented an apartment to 2 of the hijackers, at the Delray Racquet Club in Delray Beach.

I'm not implying anything! Honest. I've met Gloria Irish a few times, we even briefly discussed the anthrax scare. She didn't appear to be a terrorist, or a spy, or a government agent. (But then, it is south Florida!)

There are a bunch of in-depth articles at your favorite search engine. And a while back, I remember there was a book somebody scanned and it was available at a site. I can't find it right now, but it's probably still out there.
 
skepticalcriticalguy said:
Info you might already know, or it might be new:

BioPort in Lansing, Michigan, has the license to make Cipro. Carlyle Group owns it. Proves nothing, I know.

There are also some weird connections: Mike Irish was an editor at American Media (National Enquirer & The Sun). The American Media facility in Boca Raton received an anthrax letter. Bob Stevens, photo editor there, was the first victim.

Mike Irish's wife, Gloria, was the realtor who rented an apartment to 2 of the hijackers, at the Delray Racquet Club in Delray Beach. *snip*
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Now that´s what i call coincidence - hard to believe
that there is no connection. Did you ask her something
about the Hijackers?

http://www.usatoday.com/news/sept11/2001/10/15/anthrax-wife.htm
http://www.google.de/search?hl=de&q="Gloria+Irish"+anthrax&btnG=Google-Suche&meta=



FBI: Sun editor's wife rented to suspected hijackers

BOCA RATON, Fla. (AP) — The wife of the editor of the tabloid where anthrax first turned up nearly two weeks ago rented apartments to two of the suspected hijackers who died in the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, the FBI said Monday. ''Right now we consider it a coincidence because we don't have any tie between the anthrax and the terrorists,'' FBI spokeswoman Judy Orihuela said. ''It may be investigated further,'' she said, ''but right now we're considering that a coincidence.''
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Oliver said:
Now that´s what i call coincidence - hard to believe
that there is no connection. Did you ask her something
about the Hijackers?
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Well, the FBI says it's a coincidence.

I didn't ask her about the hijackers! Are you insane?! What if she was a terrorist, spy, or agent????? The everglades were seven miles away!!

No, seriously, when we talked, I wasn't aware of this hijacker story. I just stumbled on that (fairly) recently, and recognized her and her husband's names.

I was aware that the 'jackers had lived in the neighborhood for a while, in Delray.

Her office was on Federal Highway (US1); the main drag, if you will. So if they popped into town and needed an apartment, it's reasonable to think that they just pulled into a convenient real estate agency on the main street.

Or....

:eek:
 
skepticalcriticalguy said:
Well, the FBI says it's a coincidence.

I didn't ask her about the hijackers! Are you insane?! What if she was a terrorist, spy, or agent????? The everglades were seven miles away!!

No, seriously, when we talked, I wasn't aware of this hijacker story. I just stumbled on that (fairly) recently, and recognized her and her husband's names.

I was aware that the 'jackers had lived in the neighborhood for a while, in Delray.

Her office was on Federal Highway (US1); the main drag, if you will. So if they popped into town and needed an apartment, it's reasonable to think that they just pulled into a convenient real estate agency on the main street.

Or....

:eek:
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It´s a pretty weird story nevertheless. Let´s hope
Alex never hears something about it... :covereyes
 
The book is called "America Betrayed." If you search for it (I can't post links yet), it's on the web as a PDF and HTML. (Search for America Betrayed anthrax).

Interesting book, in my opinion. Might be a good source of info, or might be something new for people here to focus on debunking. I "recommend" it at the risk of being accused of spreading junk. I can't remember the angle it takes; I read it at a time I was reading a lot about the topic.

I'll be reading it again this week.
 
skepticalcriticalguy said:
The book is called "America Betrayed." If you search for it (I can't post links yet), it's on the web as a PDF and HTML. (Search for America Betrayed anthrax).

Interesting book, in my opinion. Might be a good source of info, or might be something new for people here to focus on debunking. I "recommend" it at the risk of being accused of spreading junk. I can't remember the angle it takes; I read it at a time I was reading a lot about the topic.

I'll be reading it again this week.
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Got it! :)

http://www.google.de/search?hl=de&q="America+Betrayed"+pdf&btnG=Suche&meta=
 
More weirdness:

http://www.blythe.org/nytransfer-subs/2001act/Anthrax_-_A_Secret_Tabloid_Tenant_Terror_Link_

Mike Irish, who, records show, is a licensed airplane pilot, several
years ago was a member of the Civil Air Patrol based at a small-plane
airport in Lantana, just north of Delray Beach, an official there
said. One of the hijackers, Mohamed Atta, reportedly rented a plane
at that airport to practice flying for three days in August. Robert
Stevens, 63, the Sun photo editor who died of anthrax Oct. 5, also
lives in Lantana. But there is no indication whether Irish or Stevens
ever crossed paths with Atta.
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Are we saying that the cell the hijackers belonged to in the US was using anthrax to dispose of possible witnesses after the attack?
 
I'd have to say that this "connection," of having some vague commonality to an airport and apartments, is pretty darn thin. Six Degrees of Separation and all that.

Where I work, there's another guy with the same last name as me. Same first initial. Same mailstop. And this is a plant that has its own zipcode. But I never met the guy, never heard of him, until he started getting my mail. Coincidence? You bet. Happens all the time.

By the way, thanks Oliver for the references. Having read them, it appears there is no consensus on just how "weaponized" the anthrax was, and while it appears to be clever, certainly requiring some expertise, I stand by my estimate that any capable microbiologist with a halfway decent lab could have replicated it, given stocks of anthrax to work with.

The only anomaly I see is simply that there is no consensus. That strikes me as odd, that Kenneth Alibek and Richard Spertzel should have such varying opinions on the grade and sophistication of the article itself. But not having any insight into the investigation, this difference of opinion could be due to any number of normal things, or merely that -- a difference of opinion.
 
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