Another unarmed black man shot

Puppycow said:
Maybe, but I hear a lot of stories about police planting evidence. Occasionally some are caught. Are the few who get caught just the tip of the iceberg?

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If cops will plant evidence for a petty reason like making an arrest quota, what lengths might they go to to protect a fellow LEO in a case like this?
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Planting drug evidence would be pointless in this case. Toxicology tests are what matter. Take off the tinfoil hat.
 
The police here had more then enough resources to avoid this incident and, if justified, take this person into custody without the use of lethal force. This shooting makes no sense other than the police officers here were cowards that lack training and should not be allowed near a fire-arm, let alone have a career in law enforcement.
 
Ammonitida said:
Planting drug evidence would be pointless in this case. Toxicology tests are what matter. Take off the tinfoil hat.
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Read for comprehension. He didn't say "The drugs must have been planted!" he said "If cops will plant evidence for a petty reason like making an arrest quota, what lengths might they go to to protect a fellow LEO in a case like this?" which is a perfectly legitimate question.

It's not a "tinfoil hat" theory when you have many documented cases where it happened. Tone down the insulting condescension.
 
LTC8K6 said:
Well, I don't see anything being done any time soon to alter the close relationship between prosecutors, police, and the union, or to mitigate the power of the union to support bad police officers.
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Because only the protesters see it as a problem the polices supporters don't care. That is why even when charges are filed it is so hard to convict a cop.
 
marplots said:
Yeah, I was thinking escalation. The first cop tasers him for some reason (or no reason, I suppose) and then the second cop, seeing the taser doesn't give the expected/desired result, shoots him. Teamwork.

I don't suppose we'll get the cops' side of the story until it goes to trial, if it ever does.
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Or, as is common in these sorts of incidents, we'll get multiple versions of 'the cops' side of the story', well before any trial (should there even be one), each one adjusted to reflect a new justification as the earlier excuses are shown to be utterly bogus.
 
Ammonitida said:
It's definitely a glare. The uniformity, color, and the way it moves as the camera pans.

Since I don't believe cops like to kill people for fun as some here believe, I think from their vantage point it may have looked like he was reaching in.
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I don't think very many people believe that, it is though rage, fear and incompetence that police kill so many innocent people. Now cops do clearly enjoy watching their police dogs tear the faces off of suicidal teens hiding in garbage cans. But that is just good clean fun.

http://watchdogsarasota.heraldtribune.com/2015/07/12/scarred-bite-stories-reveal-darker-side-of-north-ports-award-winning-police-canine-team/
 
thaiboxerken said:
marplots said:
I am curious to know why the first officer tasered the guy.
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Makes it easier to shoot him with the firearm. Duh.
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Wouldn't all that flopping around make them a harder target? After all, it isn't like marksmanship is one of Our Boys in Blue's strong points.

On the other hand the perps probably look a lot more threatening when they are writhing uncontrollably like that.
 
Wayward son said:
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If police departments don't start working on de-escalating situations, instead of massively escalating situations, I think that they will lose what ever legitimacy they have left.

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That seems to be becoming less of an issue.

It looks like the general trend is just to skip over all that messy and confusing escalation and just shoot the SOBs as soon as possible.

Saves time, and there's a lot less Monday Morning Quarterbacking that can take place afterward, because less happened to be judgemental about.
 
Ammonitida said:
Planting drug evidence would be pointless in this case. Toxicology tests are what matter. Take off the tinfoil hat.
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Not at all, it paints the victim as a bad guy. Makes it easier to ignore if is he some thug and not a guy who had a car breakdown. The latter is much easier for people to relate to. Why do you think the past crimes always come out in the shootings of black people even if they are totally irrelevant to the situation?
 
ponderingturtle said:
Not at all, it paints the victim as a bad guy. Makes it easier to ignore if is he some thug and not a guy who had a car breakdown. The latter is much easier for people to relate to. Why do you think the past crimes always come out in the shootings of black people even if they are totally irrelevant to the situation?
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Same reason someone happened to Google ISIS out of interest is now used to make every mass killer possible a terrorist
 
Just my two cents worth, when the cops tell you not to move and you keep moving, then you drop one arm and reach into your vehicle, how are they supposed to react? The guy could have been reaching for a weapon. Bottom line do what the police tell you.
 
quadraginta said:
That seems to be becoming less of an issue.

It looks like the general trend is just to skip over all that messy and confusing escalation and just shoot the SOBs as soon as possible.
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You've been able to see a general trend in police behavior? Or is it just in the stories that make it to the national news?
 
Dave Rogers said:
If he wasn't charged with any offence, on what legal grounds were they searching the car? I hope they haven't decided to double down with a Fourth Amendment violation. Or does "being shot dead by police" now constitute reasonable grounds for suspicion?

Dave
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Both good questions that I do not know the answers to. Hopefully the family's lawyer is sharp enough to ask the same. It may not matter though if a toxicology report comes back showing he had PCP in his system at the time of death. I'm assuming an autopsy and toxicology report is SOP in situations like this.
 
COLONEL said:
Just my two cents worth, when the cops tell you not to move and you keep moving, then you drop one arm and reach into your vehicle, how are they supposed to react? The guy could have been reaching for a weapon. Bottom line do what the police tell you.
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I see a lot of people wanting to ignore that. I guess you're a "victim of police brutality" if you refuse to listen to orders of police now days. I'm not saying this is a clear case on any front. It does seem that not obeying the officers lead to his death. Go ahead and put all of the blame on the cops. Don't worry about the guy who ignored the police commands while under gunpoint.

It is a stupid way to die. Deal with the issued in court. Not on the street. For goodness sakes, more black community leaders need to teach the community how to react to police, and always obey officers commands, never resist.

That will save black lives. Not bitching about nervous police reaction to someone acting like they are going back for a gun in their car. Why didnt the guy just stop? Well we will never know now. I guess more black people need to die not listening to police before people will start understanding how deadly this can be. It is not a game to be played with the police. ALWAYS OBEY THE OFFICERS COMMANDS. Sad to see another life loss to what appears to be stupidity on both sides.
 
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