Another Antifa Call for Violence

eirik said:
But can we at least paint antifa-thugs who smash stores and destroys neighbourhoods as antifa thugs?



Did you expect Antifa to out-violence actual nazis? Huh.

You could always try, but it might not be the best idea. The old saying violence begets violence holds true. Shocking stuff.

That might be why all "normal" legitimate political factions agrees on at least one common principle: Political violence is bad mmkey.
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When the nazis stop committing political violence, Antifa will stop committing political violence against them. Pretty simple.

Don't want to get violenced by Antifa, don't be a spread Nazi crap. How's that for an easy bar to clear?
 
eirik said:
But can we at least paint antifa-thugs who smash stores and destroys neighbourhoods as antifa thugs?


Did you expect Antifa to out-violence actual nazis? Huh.

You could always try, but it might not be the best idea. The old saying violence begets violence holds true. Shocking stuff.

That might be why all "normal" legitimate political factions agrees on at least one common principle: Political violence is bad mmkey.
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This hasn't happened. There is zero evidence that antifa or any other "outside agitators" have been involved in any opportunistic looting or violence.

That's the whole point of this thread. The right wing is trying to smear this spontaneous, grassroots anti-police moment as some antifa operation.

Violent antifa, in the US, is a boogieman. Outside of Portland, which has its own unique history of street skirmishes, violent black-bloc leftists are not a real concern. But somehow we have suburban ******** sitting on rooftops with guns waiting for busloads of antifa beserkers to descend on their town. What really happens is that these heavily armed reactionaries are confronting their own neighbors who are peacefully demonstrating for change. The right is setting up a volatile situation that is guaranteed to lead to murder of peaceful demonstrators.

This is a right wing propaganda campaign to justify increasing violence against lawful, peaceful demonstrators.
 
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uke2se said:
Fix the nazi-problem and you fix the Antifa "problem". Until the nazis go away, there will always be Antifa.
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There will always be political violence, yes. And crime, rape, injustice, racism etc.

What is surprising is the expicit support for political violence on a skeptics forum.
 
eirik said:
There will always be political violence, yes. And crime, rape, injustice, racism etc.

What is surprising is the expicit support for political violence on a skeptics forum.
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Why? What's unskeptical about seeing a real problem with fascism and fighting against it with everything you've got? Did you confuse skepticism with pacifism?
 
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eirik said:
How about not doing and supporting political violence?
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Is that what you tell white supremacists?
Do they usually get your point and go, 'Oh, there's an idea! You're right, of course! I never thought of that!'
 
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eirik said:
I haven't mentioned looting.

No violence from Antifa? Suuure.

https://www.adl.org/resources/backgrounders/who-are-antifa
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antifa_(United_States)#Notable_actions
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Don't be obtuse. You said "smash stores", which is obviously a reference to the current unrest against police brutality.

is there any evidence that antifa is playing any significant role in the current violence being seen on the ground at these demonstrations? Because all evidence, despite claims from the right, is lacking.

The overwhelming source of the violence on the ground, besides the police, are right wing counter-protesters.
 
Trump now claiming that the 75 year old man who got his skull cracked by Buffalo PD is an antifa agitator. Propaganda aimed at the dumbest of the dumb in his base.

Buffalo protester shoved by Police could be an ANTIFA provocateur. 75 year old Martin Gugino was pushed away after appearing to scan police communications in order to black out the equipment.
@OANN
I watched, he fell harder than was pushed. Was aiming scanner. Could be a set up?
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https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1270333484528214018

Smearing ordinary Americans rising up against police brutality as antifa super soldiers.
 
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eirik said:
I haven't mentioned looting.

No violence from Antifa? Suuure.

https://www.adl.org/resources/backgrounders/who-are-antifa
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antifa_(United_States)#Notable_actions
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I think that SuburbanTurkey was referring to the ongoing demonstrations in the USA. They are the ones we are talking about, aren't they? We already had the incident in Sweden where the windows of a house belonging to a racist were smashed by an antifa group ten years ago or so, so there is no need to prove that things on that level have happened.
What we would like to see you prove is that antifa were behind the looting after the George Floyd protests.

On a different note, and not directly related to antifas: Are you familiar with these thoughts from a long-deceased anti-fascist?

Technological progress frequently results in more unemployment rather than in an easing of the burden of work for all. The profit motive, in conjunction with competition among capitalists, is responsible for an instability in the accumulation and utilization of capital which leads to increasingly severe depressions. Unlimited competition leads to a huge waste of labor, and to that crippling of the social consciousness of individuals which I mentioned before.
This crippling of individuals I consider the worst evil of capitalism. Our whole educational system suffers from this evil. An exaggerated competitive attitude is inculcated into the student, who is trained to worship acquisitive success as a preparation for his future career.
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SuburbanTurkey said:
Trump now claiming that the 75 year old man who got his skull cracked by Buffalo PD is an antifa agitator.
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I think I saw him in one of the looter clips, too. He was jumping out of a storefront window with a 65-inch flatscreen TV!
 
dann said:
I that what you tell white supremacists?
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If I ever met one, yes. What else should I do? Punch them?

Question: Is punching only for adult male nazis, or do I get to punch old racist grannys teeth out? Or a 15 year old unfit chubby racist, can I break his arms, hurt him real bad, or is the rule just one punch pr nazi? Nazi women, can I kick them in the head?

And do I only get to hurt them when they are actively "nazi-ing", or can I hurt them at any time, break into their house and smash their head with a bike lock in their sleep?

Are there any consistent rules to this morally good violence?

Do they usually get your point and go, 'Oh, there's an idea! You're right, of course! I never thought of that!'
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IDK, probably not, since they are violent history-iliterate losers. Very generous of Antifa to join them in this disposition.
 
eirik said:
If I ever met one, yes. What else should I do? Punch them?

Question: Is punching only for adult male nazis, or do I get to punch old racist grannys teeth out? Or a 15 year old unfit chubby racist, can I break his arms, hurt him real bad, or is the rule just one punch pr nazi? Nazi women, can I kick them in the head?

And do I only get to hurt them when they are actively "nazi-ing", or can I hurt them at any time, break into their house and smash their head with a bike lock in their sleep?

Are there any consistent rules to this morally good violence?
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Dunno. You do you, bud.


eirik said:
IDK, probably not, since they are violent history-iliterate losers. Very generous of Antifa to join them in this disposition.
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Maybe you should go tell them to stop doing their nazi stuff then, because Antifa ain't going away until they do.
 
eirik said:
If I ever met one, yes. What else should I do? Punch them?

Question: Is punching only for adult male nazis, or do I get to punch old racist grannys teeth out? Or a 15 year old unfit chubby racist, can I break his arms, hurt him real bad, or is the rule just one punch pr nazi? Nazi women, can I kick them in the head?

And do I only get to hurt them when they are actively "nazi-ing", or can I hurt them at any time, break into their house and smash their head with a bike lock in their sleep?

Are there any consistent rules to this morally good violence?
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Let's have that discussion when you have met them. Apparently you have never tried to oppose them.

IDK, probably not, since they are violent history-iliterate losers. Very generous of Antifa to join them in this disposition.
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You really don't get it, do you? Antifa don't join them, they oppose them. You should try to do that some day instead of dreaming of "consistent rules" to "morally good violence". That is another discussion you should be having with white nationalists and police thugs.
 
SuburbanTurkey said:
Don't be obtuse. You said "smash stores", which is obviously a reference to the current unrest against police brutality.

is there any evidence that antifa is playing any significant role in the current violence being seen on the ground at these demonstrations? Because all evidence, despite claims from the right, is lacking.

The overwhelming source of the violence on the ground, besides the police, are right wing counter-protesters.
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Smashing up windows and stores isn't looting, and yes that was the reference.

Antifa, with it's well documented history of violence and destruction of property, and their specific anti-police politics, have no part in the violence and destruction of property in these riots in which they have had a large presence?

Lol, ok buddy..

As for hard evidence, time will tell, jurys will determine.
 
eirik said:
Smashing up windows and stores isn't looting, and yes that was the reference.

Antifa, with it's well documented history of violence and destruction of property, and their specific anti-police politics, have no part in the violence and destruction of property in these riots in which they have had a large presence?

Lol, ok buddy..

As for hard evidence, time will tell, jurys will determine.
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You know who else smash windows and don't like the police? Criminal window-smashers.

Let's see your evidence, or shut up. You know how this works.
 
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