Another Antifa Call for Violence

[eirik]

KKK leader drives car into crowd of peaceful protestors.
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The score still remains:

antifa attacks on suburbs: 0
reactionary counter-protestor violence: >0

I think most of us normies agree with you that actual nazis/white supremacists are worse than Antifa, that's not the issue.

What I don't understand is why you would think that's something to be proud of. It's not exactly a high bar. That's like bragging about how you're not a pedo.

Antifa:

"Not quite as bad as actual nazi terrorists."

 

[eirik]

A Cop Was Filmed Telling Armed White Men To Avoid Arrest ''So We Don't Look Like We're Playing Favorites''

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Latest example of the Oregon police coordinating with armed Proud Boys, a violent right-wing extremist group.

The right wing is armed and the police are sympathetic to their calls for violence. There is no good reason for decent people to remain unarmed. Left leaning folks should familiarize themselves with how to shoot and remain vigilant against the danger of the right wing in this country.

Just read the article.

Police told a group of armed white people to obey the law to avoid arrest, and that they don't want to be perceived as playing favourites.

What absolute racists

 

[uke2se]

Because by supporting, if not inciting, violence against people who's opinions you disagree with you have already adopted the same kind of violent extremist mindset that make Neo-Nazi's dangerous in the first place.

Nazism isn't just another opinion.

 

[catsmate]

Shouldn’t there be a lot of common ground between Anarchists and Republicans? Aren’t they both in favor of much smaller government?

In reality no. Republicans, "conservatives" and "libertarians" tend to want sufficient government to force their opinions on others.

 

[uke2se]

You think wrong. It's not that it's unfair, it's factually wrong and laughably ignorant.

No, it's not. Maybe you should read up a bit on Sverigedemokraterna and their history. Or maybe you already did and are attempting to obfuscate.

But thanks for the sincere showing of support for outright political violence, and disdain for democracy. It's a useful perspective in this thread, the hard lefts authoritarian power fantasies laid bare.

I'm just operating under the paradox of tolerance.

 

[uke2se]

Just read the article.

Police told a group of armed white people to obey the law to avoid arrest, and that they don't want to be perceived as playing favourites.

What absolute racists

Yes. They are. Do you really not understand why this is a problem?

 

[The Great Zaganza]

I think most of us normies agree with you that actual nazis/white supremacists are worse than Antifa, that's not the issue.

What I don't understand is why you would think that's something to be proud of. It's not exactly a high bar. That's like bragging about how you're not a pedo.

Antifa:

"Not quite as bad as actual nazi terrorists."

You know who else is not quite as bad as Nazi terrorists?
Nurses.

If you want to compare apples with handgrenades, then that's your mistake.

 

[Jono]

From my own experiences alone, I notably dislike the noisy Antifa-muppet morons. That's what they are, noisy muppetty morons rarely dressed up for dinner. I fervently disdain the neo-nazi thuggish halfwits. That's what they are, knuckle-draggin thuggish halfwits... unfortunately with the advent of the SD rise, better dressed up for dinner.

 

[eirik]

You know who else is not quite as bad as Nazi terrorists?
Nurses.

If you want to compare apples with handgrenades, then that's your mistake.

I would be skeptical of a nurse who made a point of how they are better than Nazi terrorists yes.

Normal people set a higher bar you see.

 

[uke2se]

I would be skeptical of a nurse who made a point of how they are better than Nazi terrorists yes.

Normal people set a higher bar you see.

How about you tell Antifa what they should be doing to clear your bar then? I'm sure they care about what you have to say.

 

[catsmate]

If he used violence, threats of violence, harassment or other equivalent means to suppress peoples ability to peacefully and legally hold demonstrations or otherwise publicly propagate their views then I'd condemn him for doing so.

Excellent. He, and they, did all that and more. Looting, arson, destruction of private property...

 

[eirik]

No, it's not. Maybe you should read up a bit on Sverigedemokraterna and their history. Or maybe you already did and are attempting to obfuscate.

The founder had roots in nazi-organizations yes, I never said otherwise. If you claimed SD were a nazi organisation in the early 90ties, you would have a better case.

Maybe you should argue why you would claim a local SD-politician 30 years later is a Nazi. SD distanced themselves from right wing extremistst in the early 2000 if I'm not mistaken. You doubt their sincerity, ok, but that's a matter of fact. Today SD is a political party represented in Parliament and in local municipalities, with a program of politics that is not nazi, and does not resemble naziism.

If you think 20-30 % of the Swedish population (SDs polling in Sweden the last 5 years) are actual Nazis, that's a position that can't be reasoned with, it's conspiratorial and ignorant.

I'm just operating under the paradox of tolerance.

It's not a "paradox" whether to vandalize a politicians house. You should try operating under the law.

 

[eirik]

How about you tell Antifa what they should be doing to clear your bar then? I'm sure they care about what you have to say.

How about not doing and supporting political violence?

That is a common line to draw between extremists, and other acceptable political factions. It's not "my" bar.

 

[catsmate]

Your hilite is not hyperbolic.

There have been numerous examples of local police coordinating with heavily armed right wing extremist groups. The police forces are heavily infiltrated by white supremacists.

In many cases not so much "infiltrated by" but simple are white supremacists.

 

[uke2se]

The founder had roots in nazi-organizations yes, I never said otherwise. If you claimed SD were a nazi organisation in the early 90ties, you would have a better case.

Maybe you should argue why you would claim a local SD-politician 30 years later is a Nazi. SD distanced themselves from right wing extremistst in the early 2000 if I'm not mistaken. You doubt their sincerity, ok, but that's a matter of fact. Today SD is a political party represented in Parliament and in local municipalities, with a program of politics that is not nazi, and does not resemble naziism.

If you think 20-30 % of the Swedish population (SDs polling in Sweden the last 5 years) are actual Nazis, that's a position that can't be reasoned with, it's conspiratorial and ignorant.

Let me tell you why I don't believe that they aren't Nazis:

A political party suddenly goes from being overt neo-nazi to just wanting immigrants out and gays without rights. Meanwhile, members stop dressing in nazi-uniforms and start wearing suits. What happened? If you're stupid, you believe that they are moving on from their nazi roots and becoming a proper party. If you aren't stupid, you realize that they are putting on a charade in order to fool gullible people.

Sverigedemokraterna have never squared their origin with their new public image. There has been no contrition. There's ostensibly a "zero-tolerance policy" against racism, but that only seemingly applies to well published cases and the ones who are kicked out are either worked back in in some capacity or they join one of the neo-nazi organisations that orbit around Sverigedemokraterna. Privately, party members are as racist as ever, according to many media reports and personal experience. They are a nazi-party masquerading as a socially conservative party in order to dupe people. Guess you were duped.

It's not a "paradox" whether to vandalize a politicians house. You should try operating under the law.

You can read up on the paradox of tolerance in my sig. Or you can remain ignorant.

 

[uke2se]

How about not doing and supporting political violence?

That is a common line to draw between extremists, and other acceptable political factions. It's not "my" bar.

Nope, supporting punching nazis doesn't make them as bad as nazis. Sorry, you're going to have to do better.

Oh, sorry the goal-posts have moved. Now not being as bad as nazis isn't good enough for the argument that they are as bad as nazis to be countered.

 

[TurkeysGhost]

I think most of us normies agree with you that actual nazis/white supremacists are worse than Antifa, that's not the issue.

What I don't understand is why you would think that's something to be proud of. It's not exactly a high bar. That's like bragging about how you're not a pedo.

Antifa:

"Not quite as bad as actual nazi terrorists."

It's relevant as there is a concerted effort by the right wing media, including the current president, to gin up fear about leftist terrorists descending on sleepy suburbs.

The right is trying to set the stage so that they can take "preemptive" violent action against their political enemies. Painting the left as a bunch of antifa thugs out to decapitate small business owners and destroy white families.

We've already seen the vanguard of these reactionary, violent forces attacking peaceful protesters under the guise of defeating antifa. Expect to see more car attacks on peaceful marches, shootings, and calls for state violence against peaceful demonstrations.

 

[eirik]

Nope, supporting punching nazis doesn't make them as bad as nazis. Sorry, you're going to have to do better.

Oh, sorry the goal-posts have moved. Now not being as bad as nazis isn't good enough for the argument that they are as bad as nazis to be countered.

I can't remember ever claiming extremist leftists are "as bad as nazis". Put your straw man to rest, we've been over this.

Nazis/right wing extremists are worse in just about every aspect in a comparison with Antifa. That doesn't mean Antifa are not dangerous and harmful and should be called out on their violence.

Again, what i don't see is why anyone would think being better than nazis is an adequate standard for ... anything. It's sounds just as hollow as a sexual harasser bragging that he's not as harmful as a serial-child molester.

 

[eirik]

The right is trying to set the stage so that they can take "preemptive" violent action against their political enemies. Painting the left as a bunch of antifa thugs out to decapitate small business owners and destroy white families.

But can we at least paint antifa-thugs who smash stores and destroys neighbourhoods as antifa thugs?

We've already seen the vanguard of these reactionary, violent forces attacking peaceful protesters under the guise of defeating antifa.

Did you expect Antifa to out-violence actual nazis? Huh.

You could always try, but it might not be the best idea. The old saying violence begets violence holds true. Shocking stuff.

That might be why all "normal" legitimate political factions agrees on at least one common principle: Political violence is bad mmkey.

 

[uke2se]

I can't remember ever claiming extremist leftists are "as bad as nazis". Put your straw man to rest, we've been over this.

Nazis/right wing extremists are worse in just about every aspect in a comparison with Antifa. That doesn't mean Antifa are not dangerous and harmful and should be called out on their violence.

Again, what i don't see is why anyone would think being better than nazis is an adequate standard for ... anything. It's sounds just as hollow as a sexual harasser bragging that he's not as harmful as a serial-child molester.

Fix the nazi-problem and you fix the Antifa "problem". Until the nazis go away, there will always be Antifa.