And the boats keep coming

a_unique_person said:
It is worth pointing out that in the new plan, where we increase our refugee intake massively, the Nauru option is there as a punishment for those who come by boat.
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Deterrent, not punishment.

Even the Labor party is now conceding that they need to be hard headed, not hard hearted.

Gillard in fact said words to the effect that it is harder watching people drown than be detained. I agree.
 
I fail to see how you could consider someone dying at sea preferable to being detained for a period. Could you explain the logic of this to me? I am sincerely and genuinely lost on this point.
 
Out of the 6 Australians I know personally 5 are heading home to look for work as work is drying up here.
 
Dcdrac said:
Out of the 6 Australians I know personally 5 are heading home to look for work as work is drying up here.
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So what you're suggesting is that in order to make these people go away all we have to do is make the country as crappy as the UK?
 
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you couldn't help but fail, since that's not how i see it.
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Then explain how boat trips (where people do die) is a more preferable option than other alternatives.

Seriously, I want to know the logic here. And if I am wrong here again, please tell me where and why. As I say, your (and the Green's) sort of stand point makes no sense to me.
 
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A.A. Alfie said:
Then explain how boat trips (where people do die) is a more preferable option than other alternatives.

Seriously, I want to know the logic here. And if I am wrong here again, please tell me where and why. As I say, your (and the Green's) sort of stand point makes no sense to me.
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You don't get the favour of my taking my time to respond to you by creating repulsive strawman arguments you attribute to me.
 
I like the wiazards of Oz, Australians, pity so many are heading hom now you had better brace yourselves
 
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a_unique_person said:
You don't get the favour of my taking my time to respond to you by creating repulsive strawman arguments you attribute to me.
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Just explain how the logic works for me, please?

Why is detention more cruel, inhumane (whatever words you care to choose) than the alternatives?

Moreover, why would you refuse to explain yourself anyway? This makes no sense either. I genuinely and sincerely want to know.
 
Wildy said:
And here I thought we'd be getting Matt Berry's identical twin. Also, probably not. Also, just make sure you don't go crazy or you might be locked up or deported.
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Sorry, I wasn't clear (happens when posting from work).

I'm not of arabic descent which has saved me some serious ink on the visa application forms.

EDIT: WOW! Some extreme stories!
 
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The way I am reading this now is that your position on this may actually indefensible.

I have continually stated my case and some of the reasoning behind it. You on the other hand ... well, the laughing dog is indicative of your continued dodges.

I genuinely do not understand the case from the left and never have. Perhaps you could enlighten me, or is it possible the case does not hold water?
 
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...aid-for-in-blood/story-e6freuy9-1226450451335

LABOR'S delay in changing asylum seeker policy - and parliament's deadlock - has cost lives at sea, a government MP said yesterday.

"Mr Perrett, one of the Prime Minister's key backers, confirmed many in the left were deeply troubled by Ms Gillard's Nauru about-face but he said the number of deaths had forced him to change his mind and support the policy: "Any party which has a policy that results in 700 deaths at sea needs to revise its policy. Maybe we should have revised it earlier."

As if we needed it, but more confirmation that Labor is responsible for over 700 deaths. And from their own ranks.

She should be dismissed. There have been some 360 deaths since she refused to budge after Bowen recommended a return to Nauru (Oct 2011). It wasn't done because it would have made her look bad.

360 dead because of the Yabbie's looks.

Disgraceful. If she had any decency she would resign.

Worst PM ever.
 
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An interesting opinion piece on the policy - more negative than my own take. The end seemed particularly familiar:
The Liberal Party will likely do nothing to allow a Malaysia deal to go ahead, nor change its mind about turning back boats. It will ignore the "integrated ... agree in whole" aspects of the policy, and instead continue to pretend the report endorses its position. A look at some of the newspaper reports suggests this line will get a favourable hearing.

Thus the whole package won't ever get implemented in full. The joy and excitement of the Olympics seems so very long ago.
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He's a lot more certain about the worst-case scenario than I was, and the Coalition's behaviour so far isn't exactly cooperative:
...But the Opposition looks determined to drag the debate on the amendments out for as long as possible, with MP after MP standing up in the House of Representatives last night to lambast the Federal Government and the Prime Minister's leadership.

The Opposition says it will support the bill allowing asylum seekers to be sent to Nauru or Papua New Guinea, but the Government says another 32 Opposition MPs are still scheduled to speak this morning before a vote can be called.
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Off-topic, but I notice the plain packaging laws have passed through the High Court! I bet a few people in the tobacco industry are grumbling "worst PM ever" today...
 
uvar said:
He's a lot more certain about the worst-case scenario than I was, and the Coalition's behaviour so far isn't exactly cooperative:

...But the Opposition looks determined to drag the debate on the amendments out for as long as possible, with MP after MP standing up in the House of Representatives last night to lambast the Federal Government and the Prime Minister's leadership.

The Opposition says it will support the bill allowing asylum seekers to be sent to Nauru or Papua New Guinea, but the Government says another 32 Opposition MPs are still scheduled to speak this morning before a vote can be called.
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Quelle surprise.


Akhenaten said:
A.A. Alfie said:
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But the coalition would be foolish in not grinding out every inch of political mileage against the Gillard

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Because that's so much more important than finding a solution as quickly as possible.
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Worst opposition ever.
 
A.A. Alfie said:
The way I am reading this now is that your position on this may actually indefensible.
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Why don't you just read it the way it was clearly stated?


a_unique_person said:
You don't get the favour of my taking my time to respond to you by creating repulsive strawman arguments you attribute to me.
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Seems pretty straightforward.


A.A. Alfie said:
I have continually stated my case and some of the reasoning behind it.
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Hundreds of iterations of "worst PM ever", including childish additions to thread tags, is hardly deserving of being described as stating a case and constantly droning on about one's abiding hatred of Julia Gillard falls a long way short of "reasoning".


A.A. Alfie said:
You on the other hand ... well, the laughing dog is indicative of your continued dodges.
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I would have said it was more indicative of an unwillingness to continue ******* into the wind.


A.A. Alfie said:
I genuinely do not understand the case from the left and never have.
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That 's probably why you keep making so many fallacious arguments against it.


A.A. Alfie said:
Perhaps you could enlighten me, or is it possible the case does not hold water?
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That would be one of those false dichotomy thingies that one hears so much about.
 
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