Ancient Pyramids and other structures, astronomical alignment & similarity.

[Dancing David]

you havent found any even remotely the same size and shape



as you apparently have me on ignore can everyone else reading this ask KotA
who discovered Troy ?
thanks

Trojan Man: homo sapiens condomis

 

[Dancing David]

And you're following very well.

The above statement was in reference to finding two athletic stadiums, of similar size and shape on two different continents, before Columbus.

And that is still a fallaccy, you need evidence thate stablishes the link, there are too many similarities in human culture otherwise.

You use trace mineral analysis to determine where stones and metals came from in establishing trade routes for example. Say you have a kaolin slipped pot, you examine the trace mineral content of the kaolin on the pot and then compare it to the trace mineral analysis of kaolin mines.

If you want to establish neolithic trade routes, that is what you do. How did those seashells get to the middle of France? The neolithic people traded them, they did not go to the ocean nessecarily.

You have to be very careful about speculation, with the sea shells it could be that a neolithic person walked 700 km and got the sea shell themself or it could be it was traded. That is why you have to make the statement this way "It is possible that neolithic people had trade networks that extended across modern day France."

Now we know that the Persian Empire had contact with both the greeks and the people on the sub-continent of india, for certain. Does that mean that the greeks built sewers because they learned it from the Mohen Djaro culture, or that they learned writing that way?

Dude, similarity in structures is way too pervasive. You need more than, "It looks like a duck, therefore it is a duck."

 

[Akhenaten]

No, you miss the point. Why am I not suprised. Take 100,000,000,000 things made by humans, how many are similar?

Like look, here are some black and white pots. They are similar is China and Mesoamerica, does that mean they had contact, no.

Here are some pressure flaked knife blades , they are similar, does that mean they had contact? No.

This immediately follows a post of mine about recycling building materials in ancient Egypt, so I have to ask:

Huh?

 

[JoeTheJuggler]

This immediately follows a post of mine about recycling building materials in ancient Egypt, so I have to ask:

Huh?

He's responding (without quoting) much earlier posts by King of the Americas. My guess is they're about the same posts that I was answering when I started going sarcastic about these claimed "similarities".

 

[Akhenaten]

He's responding (without quoting) much earlier posts by King of the Americas. My guess is they're about the same posts that I was answering when I started going sarcastic about these claimed "similarities".

Cool. Thanks.

I deserved a bit of a rev anyway, because I was being silly early on in the thread.


All good.

Hi DD

 

[King of the Americas]

And that is still a fallaccy, you need evidence thate stablishes the link, there are too many similarities in human culture otherwise.

You use trace mineral analysis to determine where stones and metals came from in establishing trade routes for example. Say you have a kaolin slipped pot, you examine the trace mineral content of the kaolin on the pot and then compare it to the trace mineral analysis of kaolin mines.

If you want to establish neolithic trade routes, that is what you do. How did those seashells get to the middle of France? The neolithic people traded them, they did not go to the ocean nessecarily.

You have to be very careful about speculation, with the sea shells it could be that a neolithic person walked 700 km and got the sea shell themself or it could be it was traded. That is why you have to make the statement this way "It is possible that neolithic people had trade networks that extended across modern day France."

Now we know that the Persian Empire had contact with both the greeks and the people on the sub-continent of india, for certain. Does that mean that the greeks built sewers because they learned it from the Mohen Djaro culture, or that they learned writing that way?

Dude, similarity in structures is way too pervasive. You need more than, "It looks like a duck, therefore it is a duck."

I know.

That's why I have merely said, "Wow, that looks like it MIGHT be a duck, because it looks similar."

I've drawn no conclusions, so please don't assert that I have.

 

[Marduk]

I've drawn no conclusions, so please don't assert that I have.

You've made several conclusions without evidence in this thread, you even popped over to the Yowie thread and posted a conclusion there.
you sir are a liar
nothing more

 

[EHocking]

I know.

That's why I have merely said, "Wow, that looks like it MIGHT be a duck, because it looks similar."

Beyond demonstrating incredulous speculation, what does this bring to the thread?

I've drawn no conclusions, so please don't assert that I have.

Not true, vis;

I am saying we DON'T 'know'...and moreover that these similarities don't rule out the 'possibility'.

You ARE drawing a conclusion that these barely apparent similarities indicate a possibility of one civilisation influencing another's monument building.

As has been pointed out, the statement "we DON'T 'know', is inaccurate and therefore your conclusion regarding possible cultural crosspollination is unfounded.

Unless you have some evidence to support your assertion beyond speculation?

 

[King of the Americas]

Beyond demonstrating incredulous speculation, what does this bring to the thread?

Not true, vis;
You ARE drawing a conclusion that these barely apparent similarities indicate a possibility of one civilisation influencing another's monument building.

As has been pointed out, the statement "we DON'T 'know', is inaccurate and therefore your conclusion regarding possible cultural crosspollination is unfounded.

Unless you have some evidence to support your assertion beyond speculation?

My assertion has been that 'these similarities' don't rule out this 'possibility'...

If 'you' know something, but 'I' don't...then 'we' don't know...

Now, with that, I'll now concede that "Experts in the field have found NO EVIDENCE to suggest that any such cross-pollination ever occurred."

 

[Marduk]

My assertion has been that 'these similarities' don't rule out this 'possibility'...

what similarities ?

If 'you' know something, but 'I' don't...then 'we' don't know...

But we do know, its just you whos clueless

Now, with that, I'll now concede that "Experts in the field have found NO EVIDENCE to suggest that any such cross-pollination ever occurred."

thats right, experts have found no evidence that Amerind cultures can time travel

well done for spotting that

 

[EHocking]

My assertion has been that 'these similarities' don't rule out this 'possibility'...

But your asserion (conclusion) is invalid as a number of people have taken pains to demonstrate that your "similarities" are unsupported by the evidence available.

If 'you' know something, but 'I' don't...then 'we' don't know...

Incorrect. YOU don't know

Now, with that, I'll now concede that "Experts in the field have found NO EVIDENCE to suggest that any such cross-pollination ever occurred."

So that should be the end of the discussion?

 

[Marduk]

So that should be the end of the discussion?

yup, so lets look at some real similarities

in date order

from 3500bce
Corbelled Burial Vault, Orkney

from 3200bce
Corbelled Burial Vault, Irealand

from >3000bce
Corbelled Burial Vault, Ur

from 2550bce
Corbelled Burial Vault Giza

from 683CE
Corbelled Burial Vault Palenque

from 7th century
Corbelled Burial Vault, Cambodia

Of course the beauty of this is that the similarity can't be denied as its actually there, and that KotA as he has me on ignore won't be able to comment on it
mwahahahah

 

[Hellbound]

Form follows function, would be my first suggestion. Of course, IANAE.

 

[King of the Americas]

But your asserion (conclusion) is invalid as a number of people have taken pains to demonstrate that your "similarities" are unsupported by the evidence available.Incorrect. YOU don't knowSo that should be the end of the discussion?

It's been over from this side for a while.

I've only been correcting people's mis-characterizations of me and my stance on this issue.

 

[Marduk]

Edited by Tricky: 

Edited for civility.

 

[RoboTimbo]

You are a woo and you have woo thoughts, why deny it

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

 

[Toke]

yup, so lets look at some real similarities

in date order

from 3500bce
Corbelled Burial Vault, Orkney

from 3200bce
Corbelled Burial Vault, Irealand

from >3000bce
Corbelled Burial Vault, Ur

from 2550bce
Corbelled Burial Vault Giza

from 683CE
Corbelled Burial Vault Palenque

from 7th century
Corbelled Burial Vault, Cambodia

Of course the beauty of this is that the similarity can't be denied as its actually there, and that KotA as he has me on ignore won't be able to comment on it
mwahahahah

Reminds me of the wheel using cultures all going for the round ones.

 

[Marduk]

Reminds me of the wheel using cultures all going for the round ones.

Yup, theres only one way to solve a roof problem like this, if they hadn't come up with this method they wouldn't have any monuments for us to compare.
Interestingly the earliest examples of corbelled burial vaults come from CatalHoyuk in Turkey. In that town (like in many others) it was standard practice to have a burial vault underneath the main room of the dwelling. when the vault was filled with ancestors they built another story on top and then used the previous dwelling room as the new vault. So for practical purposes corbelling was essential to stop you putting your foot through the floor and into something icky.

This doesn't require hyper-diffusion either. Just human ingenuity, which funnily enough as Toke indicated, follows the same pattern the world over

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

hes in denial, thats whats wrong with it, the idea that his ideas are rational

 

[Dancing David]

This immediately follows a post of mine about recycling building materials in ancient Egypt, so I have to ask:

Huh?

Sorry your dietyship, I should have said it was meant for KotA, I ask in the name of Ast and Hetheru that you extend mercy upon me.

 

[Moss]

I think we have found some evidence that ideas might be subject to parallel evolution. Not very newsworthy, but still.