Anarchy in Seattle--Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone

[William Parcher]

This confirms that violent and murderous street gangs have infiltrated CHOP. These people kill and injure huge numbers of black and brown men and boys. Of course they carry guns but not because of Proud Boys lurking in the shadows. Somebody else is going to kill them. He will be black, not white.

Track them down and get them out of CHOP. Remove them with extreme prejudice and use devices and chemicals if necessary. They are against BLM because look at what they do at 3am. People of the CHOP must get themselves together for a purge of the people who live to kill black people and do it as if it was a sport or computer game because it provides personal satisfaction. They walk amongst you in CHOP. Black lives don't mean nothing to these black guys.

Or at least pour milkshakes on their heads.

 

[Suddenly]

I'm curious how people in the CHOP would know this, but I don't see why this would be implausible.

When something like this happens and there aren't a bunch of goon squad cops liable to beat up or wrongfully arrest witnesses then the flow of information tends to be better.

The biggest problem with CHOP or any progressive law enforcement reform is that the opponents frame it as promising no, or even less crime. Not that once you remove cops from the picture the quality of life improves. Having a few more crimes committed by civilians is a acceptable cost for getting rid of an occupying army.

 

[TurkeysGhost]

If the story of the gang shooting is true, it makes it even less exceptional. There are gang shootouts in every major city across the country, and cops don't really do much to prevent them in the places where they aren't semi-excluded. Somewhere else in this forum someone posted about a shooting at a block party in N. Carolina.

I am much more concerned about politically motivated violence as the right wing propaganda machine has been painting this street protest as a target since day 1. I'm surprised there hasn't been more attacks like the Proud Boys robbery, or even active shootouts.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Perhaps this puts the rumor to rest:

I posted earlier that one eye witness said that, but the person did not see the shooting and was a bit far from the incident.

OTOH, there was another shooting near the CHOP area last night. The person who was wounded was treated and released. This adds to the evidence the shootings are not drive-bys.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Anyone who deduced that they had just seen another murderous gang hit would also then know that the shooter is essentially guaranteed to not be white. This is the same for any intended victim(s). They are not white either. You don't even have to look at the involved parties to know. Once you know it's gang then you know they ain't white.

A sage observer at CHOP might offer...

Yeah man what we just saw here that's what those Proud Boy supremacist do. You see it on the news. But this here was black or brown boys and man this stuff happens every day around here and other parts of Seattle. It's like a killing machine that don't never stop and don't never sleep. Those white supremacists don't nearly kill or wreck that many all the time. Man it ain't even a close. I can hear some of you saying it was Proud Boy. It wasn't. What you saw was the shooter, somebody who ain't white, doing a killing because they are too proud of their gang. They just exactly like a Proud Boy but they ain't white and they kill so often that it's like the white killers ain't even a pimple compare.

It wasn't supposed to be a gang hit. It was supposedly gang members or types got into an argument that progressed.

 

[William Parcher]

I'm surprised there hasn't been more attacks like the Proud Boys robbery, or even active shootouts.

They just don't have the murderous capacity to kill black people like the black gangs do every single day. It's like they don't have it in them to act like the gangs do. The Proud Boys are too passive and lazy or whatever to accomplish what the black gangs are doing. Even easy stuff like going to morning church service, coming home for a nap and then heading out to kill a black guy that needs killing.

Proud Boys Can't Jump.

 

[TurkeysGhost]

They just don't have the murderous capacity to kill black people like the black gangs do every single day. It's like they don't have it in them to act like the gangs do. The Proud Boys are too passive and lazy or whatever to accomplish what the black gangs are doing. Even easy stuff like going to morning church service, coming home for a nap and then heading out to kill a black guy that needs killing.

Proud Boys Can't Jump.

Whatever point your trying to make is a bit lost considering one of the Proud Boys identified in the video, "Tiny" Toese, likely violated probation in order to travel interstate to commit an assault and robbery. He's a textbook violent re-offender.

 

[William Parcher]

It wasn't supposed to be a gang hit. It was supposedly gang members or types got into an argument that progressed.

A "hit" is a killing or other violent assault. This was a gang hit.

When rival gang members meet by chance it is somewhat common for shooting to start or maybe knifing. It doesn't matter where or when it happens. They are armed at nearly all times. And when they aren't armed they are vulnerable. But not vulnerable to Proud Boys or any other white guy because that pretty much doesn't happen.

 

[TurkeysGhost]

A "hit" is a killing or other violent assault. This was a gang hit.

When rival gang members meet by chance it is somewhat common for shooting to start or maybe knifing. It doesn't matter where or when it happens. They are armed at nearly all times. And when they aren't armed they are vulnerable. But not vulnerable to Proud Boys or any other white guy because that pretty much doesn't happen.

A hit is premeditated. Someone getting shot as a result of an unplanned altercation is not a hit.

 

[William Parcher]

A hit is premeditated. Someone getting shot as a result of an unplanned altercation is not a hit.

Arrives in an SUV, gets out and starts shooting. Gang hit.

 

[Thermal]

Arrives in an SUV, gets out and starts shooting. Gang hit.

Not to be confused with Arrives in an SUV, gets out and starts shopping. My wife on payday.

 

[Delphic Oracle]

A hit is authorized by senior criminals.

In fact organized crime has what could be considered an equivalent to the cops in having to explain why they pulled the gun out, or fired it, or poked holes in people.

 

[TurkeysGhost]

"Tiny" Toese, the Proud Boy seen on video engaging in a gang assault and robbery on the border of the CHOP protest, is wanted for violating his probation that precluded him from attending protests for 2 years.

https://www.wweek.com/news/courts/2020/06/22/right-wing-brawler-tusitala-tiny-toese-is-wanted-for-violating-probation/

 

[William Parcher]

Seattle to end police-free protest zone after shootings

Seattle's mayor has said the city plans to take back a district that is being occupied by armed protesters, after three people were shot at the weekend.

Mayor Jenny Durkan said the violence had become "increasingly difficult" for businesses and residents. She said the city would work with the demonstrators to end the so-called Capitol Hill Occupied Protest zone.

The city centre zone was taken over by protesters on 8 June after police withdrew following violent clashes.

Mayor Durkan, who has been under growing pressure to crack down on the protest zone, told a news conference on Monday the city police department would return to its precinct "peacefully and in the near future".

"The cumulative impacts of the gatherings and protests and the night-time atmosphere and violence," she said, "has led to increasingly difficult circumstances for our businesses and residents.

"The impacts have increased and the safety has decreased."

Her announcement followed a shooting on Sunday night at the edge of the zone in the Capitol Hill neighbourhood.

The 17-year-old victim, who was shot in the arm, refused to speak to the police. In another shooting early on Saturday, a 19-year-old man died and a 33-year-old man was left critically wounded.

At Monday's news conference, Police Chief Carmen Best said her officers had been confronted by a "hostile crowd" after the Saturday attack that hampered emergency workers as they tried to reach the victims.

She said that since the East Precinct had been abandoned, rapes, assaults, burglaries and vandalism had been reported in the area. Mayor Durkan was asked during an interview on CNN earlier this month when the authorities might retake the zone.

She replied: "I don't know, we could have the summer of love!"...

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53146258

 

[dudalb]

Reality is catching up with CHOPS. It was inevitible.

 

[William Parcher]

A hit is authorized by senior criminals.

In fact organized crime has what could be considered an equivalent to the cops in having to explain why they pulled the gun out, or fired it, or poked holes in people.

Neither of us know if the shooter was a "senior criminal" or what.

If it started as a rival gang confrontation inside CHOP and then an SUV arrives with the shooter I start to think about two things...

A gangster phone call comes from inside CHOP at the confrontation and informs fellow gangster(s) somewhere outside of CHOP that there is a situation with a rival gang. He describes the situation and the players and the logistics and layout - this is all for a plan of action. The caller either outright suggests or demands a gang hit or the senior on the phone takes the hint and orders the hit for whoever would work and it might be himself. That senior has seniors too, FWIW. A gang hit plan is formed and somebody arrives in the SUV to do it.

A gangster that is part of a confrontation inside CHOP could sneak away to a parked SUV to set up a situation like what happened here. Quick shots from outside the perimeter at the target(s) you have already seen and then an easy getaway.

Could be that there was a specific gang rival encountered in CHOP that had a bounty on his head, and is to be killed whenever the chance presents itself. That would be pre-authorised in perpetuity. Revenge hits are like that and those are always happening. This killing will trigger retaliatory revenge. It never ends. And they never shoot to injure. Murder is the case.

 

[William Parcher]

The 17-year-old victim, who was shot in the arm, refused to speak to the police.

He wouldn't speak because he is a gangster. Not even an adult and he has already got gangster killer skills and knows not to talk to cops.

We hear the phrase, "snitches get stitches", but that isn't right. Snitches get tombstones. This kid might even know the name of the guy who shot him and where he lives. But he will never say that to the cops. His own gang for sure, but never the cops. Retaliation will come the way it's supposed to. On the street, with the judge and the jury just being one single guy with a gun. Verdict is guilty and the execution happens. Cops cannot be relied upon to kill the killers that the killers need to be killed. Sending the guy to prison that shot you in the arm is stupid when you can just find him and kill him.

And the police aren't going to catch him for the retaliatory hit. That's because nobody talks to the cops. There might be rival people who know who he is but they won't talk. Gangsters don't use the police to mete out justice. The same thing happens with other organized crime with lethal rival enemies. The Mafia might be most famous for it but it's common with other organized crime. For the Mafia it's known as Omerta. It's similar to the cops Blue Code of Silence or whatever it's called.

Family members keep their mouths shut as well because there can be tombstones for them too. Imagine being able to tell the police who killed your beloved young son and choosing not to do that.

Cities can't solve and prosecute their black gang murders because nobody will talk to the police. The people who can solve these crimes won't speak.

 

[cullennz]

He wouldn't speak because he is a gangster. Not even an adult and he has already got gangster killer skills and knows not to talk to cops.

We hear the phrase, "snitches get stitches", but that isn't right. Snitches get tombstones. This kid might even know the name of the guy who shot him and where he lives. But he will never say that to the cops. His own gang for sure, but never the cops. Retaliation will come the way it's supposed to. On the street, with the judge and the jury just being one single guy with a gun. Verdict is guilty and the execution happens. Cops cannot be relied upon to kill the killers that the killers need to be killed. Sending the guy to prison that shot you in the arm is stupid when you can just find him and kill him.

And the police aren't going to catch him for the retaliatory hit. That's because nobody talks to the cops. There might be rival people who know who he is but they won't talk. Gangsters don't use the police to mete out justice. The same thing happens with other organized crime with lethal rival enemies. The Mafia might be most famous for it but it's common with other organized crime. For the Mafia it's known as Omerta. It's similar to the cops Blue Code of Silence or whatever it's called.

Family members keep their mouths shut as well because there can be tombstones for them too. Imagine being able to tell the police who killed your beloved young son and choosing not to do that.

Cities can't solve and prosecute their black gang murders because nobody will talk to the police. The people who can solve these crimes won't speak.

No offense but do you actually have evidence for all that and who the people are, or is it just grasping at straws trying to still defend the mess this supposed "zone" has become?

 

[William Parcher]

No offense but do you actually have evidence for all that and who the people are, or is it just grasping at straws trying to still defend the mess this supposed "zone" has become?

I don't understand this post.

 

[sir drinks-a-lot]

Wow, there were three shootings in CHOP since Saturday?

I checked CNN (my go-to site for what the "mainstream news" is saying) and they're not even mentioning it. Sure, it will show up in their site search but they're hiding it from the front page. They've got a headline Musicians play to a packed house...of plants and The Segway is Officially over but I guess they ran out of their enthusiasm for reporting on CHOP/CHAZ.