Anarchy in Seattle--Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone

[Skeptic Ginger]

A "hit" is a killing or other violent assault. This was a gang hit. When rival gang members meet by chance it is somewhat common for shooting to start or maybe knifing. It doesn't matter where or when it happens. They are armed at nearly all times. And when they aren't armed they are vulnerable. But not vulnerable to Proud Boys or any other white guy because that pretty much doesn't happen.

Arrives in an SUV, gets out and starts shooting. Gang hit.

Neither of us know if the shooter was a "senior criminal" or what.

If it started as a rival gang confrontation inside CHOP and then an SUV arrives with the shooter I start to think about two things...

A gangster phone call comes from inside CHOP at the confrontation and informs fellow gangster(s) somewhere outside of CHOP that there is a situation with a rival gang. He describes the situation and the players and the logistics and layout - this is all for a plan of action. The caller either outright suggests or demands a gang hit or the senior on the phone takes the hint and orders the hit for whoever would work and it might be himself. That senior has seniors too, FWIW. A gang hit plan is formed and somebody arrives in the SUV to do it.

A gangster that is part of a confrontation inside CHOP could sneak away to a parked SUV to set up a situation like what happened here. Quick shots from outside the perimeter at the target(s) you have already seen and then an easy getaway.

Could be that there was a specific gang rival encountered in CHOP that had a bounty on his head, and is to be killed whenever the chance presents itself. That would be pre-authorised in perpetuity. Revenge hits are like that and those are always happening. This killing will trigger retaliatory revenge. It never ends. And they never shoot to injure. Murder is the case.

That's a lot of speculation/fiction there.

How do you know all the parts you do claim to know and on what basis are you hypothesizing the rest?



Meanwhile, back to what we do know: The victim in the hospital is speaking, (TV News interview).
He was shot just outside of the CHOP zone. It was a group of white guys, unprovoked and they shot him multiple times. It was ~30 minutes after the first shooting that killed the 19 yr old some distance away.

There has now been a 4th shooting near CHOP. I don't have details about the fourth incident.

 

[cullennz]

I don't understand this post.

What evidence do you have it is all gang related and not the "zone" going rogue with nutty idiots?

Didn't think it was that complicated

 

[Mader Levap]

William Parcher is simply making stuff up. shrug

 

[Carlotta]

William Parcher is simply making stuff up. shrug

No, no! He's a stone-cold gangsta, can't you tell?

 

[Andy_Ross]

Doesn't that just prove though that the protesters are like everybody else; they need some police protection? Not (necessarily) yet from internal problems, but guess what? Your local cops are there to protect you from cretins from the outside as well.

It's the balance of killings and beatings by the cops to killings and beatings from outside that is the problem.

 

[TurkeysGhost]

Proud Boy, "Tiny" Toese, is in jail as of June 24th for Assault. Unclear at this time which specific assault this is in reference to, though one may speculate it is related to his recorded assault at the border of the CHOP recently. Toese was already on probation for another assault at a protest.

https://www.mcso.us/PAID/Home/Booking/1505286

 

[TurkeysGhost]

Man shot in CHOP claims that the attempted murderers were "KKK or Proud Boys". He describes a group of men attacking him and using racial slurs. This is the first interview I've seen with the surviving victim since the shooting.

His shooting took place about 1/2 hour after the shooting that killed a teenager and is likely unrelated.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nx_1w5pkm_g&feature=emb_logo

 

[The Great Zaganza]

Reality is catching up with CHOPS. It was inevitible.

It was never the point of the CHOPS to be a permanent autonomous zone - only to let people experience a life different from what is supposedly the only acceptable way of life in Capitalist America.

 

[Ranb]

https://www.king5.com/article/news/...HWKyJawIN6YHLuScjvGYbl2kudfDJGdReWCKKvuDnMExA

A collection of Seattle businesses, property owners and residents is suing the city over its tolerance of an “occupied” protest zone, saying officials have been complicit in depriving them of their rights to their property.

The plaintiffs, including a tattoo parlor and auto repair shop, emphasized in the lawsuit filed Wednesday that they were not trying to undermine the anti-police-brutality or Black Lives Matter messaging of the “Capitol Hill Occupied Protest.”

The suit says protesters, who have taken up residence at the CHOP for several weeks, threatened business owners with retaliation if those businesses painted over their graffiti.

I haven't seen the lawsuit so I don't know if the people suing are actually within CHAZ.

 

[Arcade22]

It was never the point of the CHOPS to be a permanent autonomous zone - only to let people experience a life different from what is supposedly the only acceptable way of life in Capitalist America.

No one should be allowed to live this way.

 

[TurkeysGhost]

It was never the point of the CHOPS to be a permanent autonomous zone - only to let people experience a life different from what is supposedly the only acceptable way of life in Capitalist America.

It think it's important to point out that protesters didn't create the "CHAZ", the police did. They unilaterally pulled out of the area, largely because they were incapable of restraining themselves from using wanton violence against protesters and they were experiencing tremendously bad PR.

The CHAZ never made the cops leave the area, and they can't really do much to prevent them from coming back.

 

[William Parcher]

Seattle businesses and residents sue the city over CHOP zone: Lawsuit says locals have been threatened by protesters after entire neighbourhood was ‘abandoned’ by authorities

A collection of Seattle businesses, property owners and residents sued the city Wednesday over its tolerance of an 'occupied' protest zone, saying officials have been complicit in depriving them of their rights to their property.

The plaintiffs - including a tattoo parlor, auto repair shop and property management firm - emphasized in the lawsuit that they were not trying to undermine the anti-police-brutality or Black Lives Matter messaging of the 'Capitol Hill Occupied Protest.'

'Rather, this lawsuit is about the constitutional and other legal rights of plaintiffs - businesses, employees, and residents in and around CHOP - which have been overrun by the city of Seattle's unprecedented decision to abandon and close off an entire city neighborhood, leaving it unchecked by the police, unserved by fire and emergency health services, and inaccessible to the public at large,' the lawsuit said.

The Seattle City Attorney's Office said it had not yet seen the lawsuit but would review it...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...-businesses-residents-sue-city-CHOP-zone.html

 

[Checkmite]

https://www.king5.com/article/news/...HWKyJawIN6YHLuScjvGYbl2kudfDJGdReWCKKvuDnMExA

I haven't seen the lawsuit so I don't know if the people suing are actually within CHAZ.

This court filing is interesting. In recent days after the shooting which infamously killed one protester and wounded another, the narrative has been that police tried to get to the victims to provide aid and were prevented from doing so by the crowd of angry protesters, so shame-shame on the protesters. But according to this lawsuit, the police didn't even try to access the crime scene until 20 minutes after the shooting.

 

[TurkeysGhost]

Reporting on this is still unclear, but it seems that armed CHOP demonstrators shot dead two men in a truck that were attempting a drive-by or other shooting.

Some reports claim the men drove by and shot once before returning and shooting while driving through the encampment area in a field. Armed CHOP people shot and critically wounded both men in the truck, who have been transported to the hospital.

Mainstream media has little info beyond reporting that two men were taken to the ER with gunshot wounds.

Here's a twitter thread showing the truck riddled with gunshots.

https://twitter.com/MaliceBD/status/1277554271966203904

 

[Stout]

Oh that's interesting. A drive by shooting with the windows rolled up. A "stolen" SUV with the keys in the ignition and no mention that the two who were shot were black.

The person who owns that twitter account is fully retarded, isn't she ?

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

On this morning's news: There's video that shows the SUV driving around Cal Anderson (on the lawn).

It was believed they were trying to get past the barriers.

It's reported the CHOP security shot at the SUV.

One man died and a 14 yr old is still in critical condition.

There are reports people in the SUV shot at people.

The SUV has been towed and the police chief is livid people had already been in and out of the SUV. No gun was found.

They also towed the civilian car that took one of the victims to Harborview. Medics took the other man.

Chief Best said if CHOP was about BLM and now all these black men have been shot with two dead, it is past time to shut it down.

EDITED TO ADD: Killed was a 16 yr old, not "and adult" as was previously reported.

 

[Delphic Oracle]

On this morning's news: There's video that shows the SUV driving around Cal Anderson (on the lawn).

It was believed they were trying to get past the barriers.

It's reported the CHOP security shot at the SUV.
One man died and a 14 yr old is still in critical condition.

There are reports people in the SUV shot at people.

The SUV has been towed and the police chief is livid people had already been in and out of the SUV. No gun was found.

They also towed the civilian car that took one of the victims to Harborview. Medics took the other man.

Chief Best said if CHOP was about BLM and now all these black men have been shot with two dead, it is past time to shut it down.

EDITED TO ADD: Killed was a 16 yr old, not "and adult" as was previously reported.

With respect for the gravity of the situation.

The highlighted sentence is loaded with potential pitfalls.

What kind of training and certification is required for this role? They get to use deadly force when their discretion calls for it? What publically accountable body can review their behavior?

Another angle: oh, good guys with guns were around to help, you say?

I hope the random people a lot of news crews talk to at these things can articulate a response.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

With respect for the gravity of the situation.

The highlighted sentence is loaded with potential pitfalls.

What kind of training and certification is required for this role? They get to use deadly force when their discretion calls for it? What publically accountable body can review their behavior?

Another angle: oh, good guys with guns were around to help, you say?

I hope the random people a lot of news crews talk to at these things can articulate a response.

Fox yesterday: CHOP’s ‘security’ growing more ‘contentious’ with nearby residents: report

Seattle residents said Sunday that despite rumors that the city was going to reclaim the “occupied” area known as CHOP, little has changed on the ground and the “security” at the protest zone has actually gotten more “contentious” with residents who live nearby.

“They won’t let people in the neighborhood sometimes at night,” Matthew Ploszaj, who lives there, told KOMO News. He told the station that he supports the Black Lives Matter movement, but said it is a “terrible precedent” that “any political message can come in and occupy a neighborhood.”

That stuff's been reported since the beginning. Not a lot of actual news reporter followup.

Capitol Hill Blog: Private ‘high threat protection’ team part of response to overnight CHOP shooting

As one teen was killed and another was wounded in Monday’s early morning shooting following a night of driveby gun violence, no police came to the scene and the surviving 14-year-old had to be brought out of the protest zone to be transported by Seattle Fire, a heavily armed team swung into action to help and provide medical assistance.

Joseph Spiro tells CHS that Iconic Global “high threat private protection” teams have deployed in the area protecting client businesses and residential properties with patrols and rapid response to threats and dangerous situations near the protest zone.

They weren't involved in the shooting according to the company despite being described as "heavily armed". Their website is down at the moment.

Spiro says the one-year-old Auburn, Washington company is paid by clients in the area but also is providing some support to businesses and buildings in the area pro bono. He says Iconic Global has also helped some inside the CHOP camp with medical help and support. “We’ve been working with some of the leaders of CHOP, too, to explain why we are there — not to get in the way of what they’re doing.”

Here's one of the grain of salt witness accounts that does sound credible:
Seattle journalist Omari Salisbury shares an inside look at the CHOP

The shooting Monday appeared to have started in the park, Salisbury told KIRO Radio’s Dave Ross. There was an initial exchange of gunfire, one group looked like they left the park, and then a white Jeep Cherokee drove through the park, he said. A member of so-called CHOP security let off what they told Salisbury were “warning shots.”

Then, a few minutes later, the same Jeep crashed into one of the barricades on 12th Avenue and was met with deadly force. Salisbury was unable to confirm who fired first.

“But I do know that it, man, it was a lot of shots fired,” he said.

There are videos with the audio of the shots.

I agree with his opinion here:

Salisbury has been a presence in the CHOP since the initial protests before the police left the East Precinct. He lives and works in the area. Ross asked if he thinks the CHOP can continue?

“No. I mean, not like this, it’s not sustainable,” Salisbury said.

 

[Stout]

It turns out that the "man" who was assassinated by CHOP security was a 16 year old kid.

CHOP security video has recorded one participant noting that one of the kids is still alive and asking him if he wants to be pistol whipped ( 1:57 in the video ) before saying BOOM and what sounds like an execution shot ringing out.

What are the chances that the shooter(s) were white ?

Also, a rather entertaining interview with some white douchbag in a plague mask. When CHOP sends their people to talk to the media, they're not sending their best are they ?

Black Lives Matter might have to start protesting Black Lives Matter

All the gory details

 

[Arcade22]

It turns out that the "man" who was assassinated by CHOP security was a 16 year old kid.

CHOP security video has recorded one participant noting that one of the kids is still alive and asking him if he wants to be pistol whipped ( 1:57 in the video ) before saying BOOM and what sounds like an execution shot ringing out.

What are the chances that the shooter(s) were white ?

Also, a rather entertaining interview with some white douchbag in a plague mask. When CHOP sends their people to talk to the media, they're not sending their best are they ?

Black Lives Matter might have to start protesting Black Lives Matter

All the gory details

This is what George Floyd died for.