Anarchy in Seattle--Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone

[TurkeysGhost]

Thanks for proving my point. You just hate the idea of police.

Yes, I am opposed to the over-policing of an ostensibly free society. You aren't?

 

[portlandatheist]

One dead, another injured in shooting inside the CHAZ CHOP

Police tried to find the shooting victims but were met by a "violent crowd" that prevented the officers from safely accessing the victims, according to a release from Seattle police Saturday morning

 

[Thermal]

One dead, another injured in shooting inside the CHAZ/CHOPhttps://www.kgw.com/article/news/local/one-man-dead-another-injured-after-shooting-in-seattles-capitol-hill-neighborhood/281-a5d0ea04-9b46-423f-805f-30b40046fa59

Here we go.

Lord of the Flies II: Autonomous Boogaloo

 

[Distracted1]

One dead, another injured in shooting inside the CHAZ CHOP

Seattle needs to send some social workers in there quick!

 

[Checkmite]

Looks like protesters transported the victims to hospitals, and police still have access to security and surveillance video from the area of the shooting, so they are conducting an investigation as normal.

 

[deadrose]

Not to mention that from all accounts I've heard so far, it was a vehicle full of white men with weapons that drove up, opened fire, then took off again. Doesn't quite sound like CHOP is at fault if that's the case.

 

[CaptainHowdy]

Looks like protesters transported the victims to hospitals, and police still have access to security and surveillance video from the area of the shooting, so they are conducting an investigation as normal.

So it's not as autonomous as the word autonomous would imply it is? Does CHOP have an extradition treaty with Seattle?

 

[sir drinks-a-lot]

Not to mention that from all accounts I've heard so far, it was a vehicle full of white men with weapons that drove up, opened fire, then took off again.

Link?

If it was confirmed that it was really a vehicle full of white men that drove up, you'd think it'd be all they'd be talking about on CNN by now.

 

[TellyKNeasuss]

The police have already said they would respond to any serious violence. Otherwise a person can walk to the boundary and meet the cops there.

They've also opened the street to allow some traffic so vehicles can get in.

So the streets are no longer open to the public? But only to those whom the CHOP folks allow in?

 

[crescent]

So the streets are no longer open to the public? But only to those whom the CHOP folks allow in?

They don't let police in. Anyone else seems to be able to come and go pretty freely. There have been some livestreams on Youtube for some time now, showing one of the entrances (I've linked to them twice already in this thread already).

They've got vehicle barriers up, but but the sidewalks are clear, nobody checking any sort of paperwork, people just come and go as they please.

That includes a few politically-motivated people looking to start arguments, which have not always ended peacefully. The place isn't perfect by any stretch. But it is not the breakaway republic ruled by the communist warlord portrayed in much of the conservative media either.

 

[Delphic Oracle]

Exactly.
The mayor of DC had the right idea with the giant "Black Lives Matter" mural on the street.

If anyone remembers "The Wire" (an American Television show), these places (the Mural, and CHOP )become types of "Hamsterdam" -keeping the focus of the protests localized, and easier to manage.

Static occupation like Occupy missed the mark.

They were repeating what the indignatos in Spain did. They forgot the part where those long-term (6-8 week max) rallies had an end date.

Then plan the next one, and so on. Focus on different issues each time, but with an overall theme.

Americans overdo it, naturally.

 

[TurkeysGhost]

Not to mention that from all accounts I've heard so far, it was a vehicle full of white men with weapons that drove up, opened fire, then took off again. Doesn't quite sound like CHOP is at fault if that's the case.

Reporting is that a black SUV pulled up near the barricade and man with a rifle got out and opened fire before leaving.

Right wing propaganda has been painting a target on the protest for days now and it seems like a gunman has finally taken the bait.

Earlier this week Proud Boys pulled up in an unlicensed van and beat and robbed a man at the border of the CHOP.

Counterprotesters and right wing reactionaries proving themselves to be the real danger once again.

 

[varwoche]

Not to mention that from all accounts I've heard so far, it was a vehicle full of white men with weapons that drove up, opened fire, then took off again. Doesn't quite sound like CHOP is at fault if that's the case.

Reporting is that a black SUV pulled up near the barricade and man with a rifle got out and opened fire before leaving.

Right wing propaganda has been painting a target on the protest for days now and it seems like a gunman has finally taken the bait.

Earlier this week Proud Boys pulled up in an unlicensed van and beat and robbed a man at the border of the CHOP.

Counterprotesters and right wing reactionaries proving themselves to be the real danger once again.

Lack of citations casts doubts on these claims. My fruitless search for confirmation adds to the doubt.

 

[Thermal]

Lack of citations casts doubts on these claims. My fruitless search for confirmation adds to the doubt.

SuburbanTurkey's second claim, about the proud bitches, was earlier confirmed:

Proud boys showed up at the CHAZ yesterday, assaulted a man, and smashed his phone.

Taking part in the assault and robbery was Tiny Toese, who is currently on probation for other violent crimes.

https://twitter.com/RichieMcGinniss/status/1272718909737586688

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Clearly we should wait until there is evidence the CHOP shootings were akin to a drive-by. But there is a trend developing where the white supremacists are taking Trump's words to heart, take them out.

NPR: Vehicle Attacks Rise As Extremists Target Protesters

Right-wing extremists are turning cars into weapons, with reports of 50 vehicle-ramming incidents since protests against police violence erupted nationwide in late May.

At least 18 are categorized as deliberate attacks; another two dozen are unclear as to motivation or are still under investigation, according to a count released Friday by Ari Weil, a terrorism researcher at the University of Chicago's Chicago Project on Security and Threats. Weil has tracked vehicle ramming attacks, or VRAs, since protests began.

The 20 people facing prosecution in the rammings include a state leader of the Virginia Ku Klux Klan, as well as a California man who was charged with attempted murder after antagonizing protesters and then driving into them, striking a teenage girl. Video footage of some attacks shows drivers yelling at or threatening Black Lives Matter protesters before hitting the gas.

"The message they're trying to send is: you need to get out of the street and stop these protests," Weil said. "They're trying to intimidate the most recent wave of BLM protesters, to stop their movement."

 

[William Parcher]

Looks like protesters transported the victims to hospitals, and police still have access to security and surveillance video from the area of the shooting, so they are conducting an investigation as normal.

I'm wondering about the forensic evidence. Who got the spent cartridge casings? Other physical evidence? Photos and video and measurements of the scene exactly as it was after the crime?

What about witnesses? Were police allowed to enter CHOP and look for witnesses in order to get statements and get witness ID for possible future recontact?

 

[Brainster]

SuburbanTurkey's second claim, about the proud bitches, was earlier confirmed:

Doesn't that just prove though that the protesters are like everybody else; they need some police protection? Not (necessarily) yet from internal problems, but guess what? Your local cops are there to protect you from cretins from the outside as well.

 

[varwoche]

SuburbanTurkey's second claim, about the proud bitches, was earlier confirmed:

I wasn't referring to that particular claim and I should have edited it out. Pardon me.

 

[varwoche]

Clearly we should wait until there is evidence the CHOP shootings were akin to a drive-by. But there is a trend developing where the white supremacists are taking Trump's words to heart, take them out.

NPR: Vehicle Attacks Rise As Extremists Target Protesters

I have no doubt.

But here we are on a forum ostensibly for critical thinkers, but alas wishful thinkers are posting wishful thinking, accompanied by misleading nonsense such as "by all accounts". Yet no citation to one such account. And I can't find one such account.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

I have no doubt.

But here we are on a forum ostensibly for critical thinkers, but alas wishful thinkers are posting wishful thinking, accompanied by misleading nonsense such as "by all accounts". Yet no citation to one such account. And I can't find one such account.

Believe me, I too am anxiously awaiting evidence of the van rumor.

So far though, it does appear the shots came from the outside to the inside given anyone shooting within CHOP would have been mobbed and detained as happened with other incidents.