An introduction to formal logic

[Franko]

Martinm,

Franko:
TLOP controls YOUR MIND controls APPENDAGES controls CAR.

Martinm:
That's a meaningless statement unless TLOP does not fully determine my actions. If I have no choices at all, I can make no choices as to the state of the car. TLOP determines it all.

What does that mean? I thought you were a determinist? I thought you didn’t believe in “free will”? (A-Theist!)

TLOP is obviously the ultimate controller of the action. Unless you are claiming your “consciousness” somehow has “magic” control over the chemical processes occurring in your brain?

How does this make your Car more conscious then you? How does any of this makes TLOP less conscious then YOU? Your point eludes me …

The DM allows the Player to make choices, so there is no analogy at all.

That’s not really an answer to the question? Are you a determinist or NOT? Do you believe in “free will”, or do you just pretend NOT to, so the A-Theists can claim to have ONE member who isn’t a “free willyier”?

By your definitions, I'm agnostic.

Praise the Goddess! … Because … in all honesty … I’ve always liked you Martin! … plus … people I respect, have said good things about you.

I actually have no problem with that, so long as you're consistent.

We’re in enough hot water for the moment …

In a Universe where my actions are completely determined by TLOP, in what way am I superior to my car?

So are you claiming that you are no more conscious then your Car is? Try telling that to the Cop next time you get pulled over … let me know how it works out …



Martin, my friend ... I detect that you are too intelligent to repeat a big mistake twice, don't let dogma win over common sense.

 

[Guest]

Ladies and Gentlemen,

How many more thread hi-jackings must we suffer through? This absolute, maniacally ranting crank has succeeded in derailing yet another attempt at an informative discussion.

Should we not consider requesting a more acitve moderator role on JREF? As well as rules limiting the ability of an a**hole such as this one to hijack thread after thread?

The topic here was a request to understand formal logic. The thread hardly got off the ground before the idiot started his same old rant. It is boring. It is manical. He is crazed. He is nothing but an insulting, obscene, puny mind not even capable of understanding the topic under discussion.

But worse, he has no interest in understanding. His goal is to never be transfromed by knowledge. He goal is to never be confused by the facts.

I hereby call for more active moderators on JREF, and limitations of franko and franko-like nonsense.. As well as that of serpent and wratith and all other franko sock-puppets. I DO NOT WISH TO BE SUBJECTED TO HIS INSANITY ANY LONGER. CAN SOMEBODY LIMIT HIM OR CORRAL HIM OR DO SOMETHING SO WE CAN HAVE A CIVIL CONVERSATION ON THIS BOARD. CAN WE AMEND THE RULES ONCE AGAIN? HOW ABOUT ANTI-SPAMMING? THIS CRANK REGULARLY POSTS THREE, FOUR and FIVE POSTS IN A ROW, WITH ESSENTIALLY THE SAME VENOMOUS CONTENT. WHY SHOULD WE HAVE TO SORT THROUGH THIS CRAP? GET RID OF IT. GET RID OF HIM.

Cheers,

 

[Soubrette]

Bill

I can understand your frustration but this is one thread surely which is actually not being hijacked - it may have gone down a road not intended by the a_u_p but it did so almost immediately, there was no attempt to police the thread by a_u_p so I can only assume the slight detour was ok by him.

So the irony is that it is you and I that appear to be thread jacking

Sou

 

[Franko]

I hereby call for more active moderators on JREF, and limitations of franko and franko-like nonsense.. As well as that of serpent and wratith and all other franko sock-puppets. I DO NOT WISH TO BE SUBJECTED TO HIS INSANITY ANY LONGER. CAN SOMEBODY LIMIT HIM OR CORRAL HIM OR DO SOMETHING SO WE CAN HAVE A CIVIL CONVERSATION ON THIS BOARD. CAN WE AMEND THE RULES ONCE AGAIN? HOW ABOUT ANTI-SPAMMING? THIS CRANK REGULARLY POSTS THREE, FOUR and FIVE POSTS IN A ROW, WITH ESSENTIALLY THE SAME VENOMOUS CONTENT. WHY SHOULD WE HAVE TO SORT THROUGH THIS CRAP? GET RID OF IT. GET RID OF HIM.

Hey!!! … So you are DOUBT??? BullyBoy!

The fact of the matter is … your ridiculous Religion has failed you. You can’t refute my arguments logically. So you are left screaming “Burn the Heretic!!! Burn his writings!!!! Ban his voice from our presence!!! The THOUGHT, the very Notion that someone else might read them and be turned away from the ONE TRUE FAITH OF A-THEISM is just driving you insane – isn’t it?


Begone Troll!

www.infidels.org

Go preach to the rest of the religious fanatics ... leave us Skeptics in peace.

 

[Soubrette]

And you Frank just make things worse

Sou

 

[Franko]

My apologies for daring to speak my mind.

I guess only A-Theists have that priviledge here?

 

[Guest]

Bill

So the irony is that it is you and I that appear to be thread jacking

Sou

Point taken, Sou,

So let us ask A_U_P. DId this conversation get hi-jacked? Did you not want to find out about logic? Were Franko's posts on your point, or did they detract from them?

Has this thread been hi-jacked?

And, sou, look at the fallacy of compositon thread. Franko and hammy openly congratulate themselves on that hi-jacking.

Cheers,

 

[Soubrette]

Point taken, Sou,

So let us ask A_U_P. DId this conversation get hi-jacked? Did you not want to find out about logic? Were Franko's posts on your point, or did they detract from them?

Has this thread been hi-jacked?

And, sou, look at the fallacy of compositon thread. Franko and hammy openly congratulate themselves on that hi-jacking.

Cheers,

there are many pages on there - which page in particular do you want me to look at?

Why not just stick Frank on ignore? And only answer on topic for all threads?

I personally don't intend to do it - sometimes Frank engages with someone on an interesting level - like Billy Joe recently, Darat and Loki before that.

Also I'm appalling for staying on topic too

Sou

 

[hammegk]

And, sou, look at the fallacy of compositon thread. Franko and hammy openly congratulate themselves on that hi-jacking.

hammegk: Well, I admit it WAS your thread, but face it, hi-jack is complete.

The Question is "To Be, or not To Be" at the moment. A firm yes to "to be". How about you?

TTFN, catch ya on the flip side....

I "congratulate" myself? Franco? by stating a fact? The thread was gone for pages, sorry.

BTW, it's Mr. Hammy to you, ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊.

As a final thought have you actually seen an A_U_P topic that SHOULDN'T have been hijacked?

 

[Franko]

Blah blah blah A-Theism is the one true Faith -- all other Theists are idiots ... blah blah blah ...

That pretty much summarizes every single one of Bullyhoyt's posts I have ever read. What exactly does he think HE is contributing here?

There are 25 other A-Theists fanatics all chanting the same mantra. God forbid anyone should dare speak out against the sacred Orthodoxy!

 

[Mossy]

Why not just stick Frank on ignore? And only answer on topic for all threads?


Sou

Sou,

Try this, just to see what it is like, put Franko on ignore and follow a few of the threads.

It doesn't matter whether he is on ignore or not - the threads degenerate into the same thing, every single time. The topic of the thread is lost - sometimes after only a few posts. Very disappointing for some of the threads that seemed to have had potential.

Putting him on ignore doesn't make the threads any more coherent or interesting.

As for the idea, "it is up to the person who started the thread to police it" - doesn't work. Tried it several times, was even told to "◊◊◊◊ off" by your witty friend (who isn't really an ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊, he just does it for the reaction - right?).


-Ed

 

[a_unique_person]

When Franko returned, and people welcomed him back, I could not believe it. JK might be a bit out there, but he sticks to predictable topics, and even says more than the same thing over and over. Carlos Sweat at least sticks to the one thread. Franko just dominates.

 

[Victor Danilchenko]

Mossy

Try this, just to see what it is like, put Franko on ignore and follow a few of the threads.

It doesn't matter whether he is on ignore or not - the threads degenerate into the same thing, every single time. The topic of the thread is lost - sometimes after only a few posts. Very disappointing for some of the threads that seemed to have had potential.

That's most definitely true. I've had Franko on "ignore" for a while, but I still keep seeing good threads go up in flames for no good reason. It's not even entertaining -- it's just dull and boring and repetitious. I imagine there is only so many ways others can reply creatively to the same old regurgitated inanity.

 

[Victor Danilchenko]

a_unique_person

When Franko returned, and people welcomed him back, I could not believe it.

Ditto. I very much believe in giving people second chances, but the welcome Franko received upon his return made me think that some rosy-colored-glasses manufacturer out there is making a killing.

Come on, people, we are supposed to be rational and realistic, right?.. Franko has made his nature quite clear. If he changes, I wanna see the evidence of change before proclaiming my joy at his return.

 

[Franko]

A-un-unique-a-theist cried:

When Franko returned, and people welcomed him back, I could not believe it.

Poor Baby! … if only everyone thought exactly like you and little Vicky D. the world would “truly” be a better place!

Damn the stupid idiots who are too moronic to see that you and Vicky claim to be Superior! If only everyone followed the “One True Faith”!

Alas

Perhaps you should try a different venue where everyone shares your same religious ideals … ?

www.infidels.org

This is a Skeptics board after all.

 

[Franko]

Mosshead,

Try this, just to see what it is like, put Franko on ignore and follow a few of the threads.

It doesn't matter whether he is on ignore or not - the threads degenerate into the same thing, every single time. The topic of the thread is lost - sometimes after only a few posts. Very disappointing for some of the threads that seemed to have had potential.

Hey its not my fault that people ask me questions. Most of my posts are responses to another posters post. How often do I actually start a thread?

Putting him on ignore doesn't make the threads any more coherent or interesting.

Coming from a guy who had trouble comprehending the 3 little pigs it doesn’t really surprise me that you have difficulty following along.

As for the idea, "it is up to the person who started the thread to police it" - doesn't work. Tried it several times, was even told to "◊◊◊◊ off" by your witty friend (who isn't really an ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊, he just does it for the reaction - right?).

What a hypocrite! Is that your way of demonstrating what a nice guy YOU are??? Gee, I with an attitude like that, I wonder why I treat you like the little ◊◊◊◊ that your are?

Fact is Mossy, you follow me around and respond to far more of My posts, then I do to yours. Personally, it’s a rare occasion that you say anything worthy of a response.

BTW – I’ve never had any trouble policing my threads. Maybe you are just a wimp?

 

[Q-Source]

Ladies and Gentlemen,

I hereby call for more active moderators on JREF, and limitations of franko and franko-like nonsense.. As well as that of serpent and wratith and all other franko sock-puppets. I DO NOT WISH TO BE SUBJECTED TO HIS INSANITY ANY LONGER. CAN SOMEBODY LIMIT HIM OR CORRAL HIM OR DO SOMETHING SO WE CAN HAVE A CIVIL CONVERSATION ON THIS BOARD. CAN WE AMEND THE RULES ONCE AGAIN? HOW ABOUT ANTI-SPAMMING? THIS CRANK REGULARLY POSTS THREE, FOUR and FIVE POSTS IN A ROW, WITH ESSENTIALLY THE SAME VENOMOUS CONTENT. WHY SHOULD WE HAVE TO SORT THROUGH THIS CRAP? GET RID OF IT. GET RID OF HIM.

Cheers,

BillHoyt,

I found in the front page of the Forum at least EIGHT threads started with the name of FRANKO on it or with a straight reference to him by the creator of the thread.
You can check:

Logical Creationism
An Introduction to formal logic
Franko's thermodinamics
Franko and Deism.org
Fallacy of Composition
Regarding Franko
Are the laws of physics....?
Enough! I refuse to debate...


And guess who started them? Titanpoint, Fool, Whitefolk, exactly the same people who complains or want him out of the forum.
Don't you think that you should ask them no to start so many threads about this guy?.

I agree with you, I also think that it is too much about the same, but it depends on everybody to diversify this forum with other topics.

I'd ask Franko:
Please do not hijack threads that are not related to your topic (LD). Start new threads if you want to expande or elaborate more about your beliefs. So, only people interested on it will go there.

Q-S

Edited to change "and" for "or"

 

[Guest]

I'd ask Franko:
Please do not hijack threads that are not related to your topic (LD). Start new threads if you want to expande or elaborate more about your beliefs. So, only people interested on it will go there.

Q-S

Please join us on JREF banter to discuss this situation. Otherwise, we will have helped frankenfruit hi-jack yet another thread.

Cheers,

 

[whitefork]

...Whitefolk, exactly the same people who complains and want him out of the forum.

Careful, there. I have never requested anyone to be banned, nor have I wished them to leave. And I didn't start the Fallacy of Composition thread as an attack on Franko (yeah, I know it sounds implausible, but believe me. I'm just crazy about symbolic logic. It's like a fetish). Sorry, just needed to vent for a minute.

That's FORK, by the way.

 

[Franko]

Q-Source,

I'd ask Franko:
Please do not hijack threads that are not related to your topic (LD). Start new threads if you want to expande or elaborate more about your beliefs. So, only people interested on it will go there.

Quite reasonable Darling. I will make an effort in the future.