Cont: All things Trump + Russia Part 3

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Childlike Empress said:
This is their coverage of the Simpson testimony so far:

http://theduran.com/feinsteins-leak-fusion-gpss-glenn-simpsons-senate-testimony-backfires/
http://theduran.com/leaked-documents-show-that-fusion-gps-colluded-with-anti-trump-media/
http://theduran.com/fbi-did-not-hav...rce-was-a-drunk-papadopoulos-in-london-video/
http://theduran.com/anyone-murdered-trump-dossier-answer-almost-certainly-no/

Of course this is all several steps ahead of the "info" that formed what you've written.
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My observation is it doesn't matter if the dossier is debunked. Based on the testimony, Simpson and Steele were confident enough in it's veracity.

The FBI has very broad power to open a broad investigation based on very little. To stop the investigation because the initial cause was debunked would be the FBI acting unconventionally.
 
The key takeaway from that interview, CE, (well, one of them anyway) is that even if the dossier never existed, Trump and Co. would have been under FBI investigation.

Do you deny that?
 
NoahFence said:
The key takeaway from that interview, CE, (well, one of them anyway) is that even if the dossier never existed, Trump and Co. would have been under FBI investigation.

Do you deny that?
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Yes. That is the whole point of the sources CE posted breaking down the statements and the timeline.
 
Beelzebuddy said:
I'm sorry, I don't read linkdumps. What do you think they say?
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I don't jump through hoops. Given the astounding self-righteousness with which you post these "questions", you can be lucky that I still reply at all. I do that of course for the sake of informing the many readers who are not in your little vocal club, not because I think you are honestly interested in answers.
 
Childlike Empress said:
I don't jump through hoops. Given the astounding self-righteousness with which you post these "questions", you can be lucky that I still reply at all. I do that of course for the sake of informing the many readers who are not in your little vocal club, not because I think you are honestly interested in answers.
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I'm pretty sure it is incumbent on the poster to make good posts and that does not include links without context.
 
BobTheCoward said:
My observation is it doesn't matter if the dossier is debunked. Based on the testimony, Simpson and Steele were confident enough in it's veracity.
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That's totally beside the point, Bob. Here, for you, read the latest by Ray McGovern who breaks down the issues pretty detailed today. Take your time to read it carefully and understand the main issues, which are way beyond any musings of the paid authors of the piss dossier.
 
Beelzebuddy said:
I'm sorry, I don't read linkdumps. What do you think they say?
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The first one agrees with the consensus that Papadopolous drunkenly bragging to an Aussie is what triggered the investigation and corroborated one piece of evidence in the Dossier, making Steele more credible to them. It then says that that means that it meant nothing because Papadolopous was probably making it all up and even if he wasn't and the Russians really did offer information to the Trump campaign then it doesn't matter anyway. Then it says that this also means that the Dossier triggered the investigation, because reasons.

It also pretends that Simpson, in the testimony it quotes, said that that information was all the FBI had, rather than "one of those pieces of intelligence" [italics mine] which corroborated the Dossier.

It's as honest and factual as all the articles by the Russian propagandist with a documented history of lying the Empress seems to like linking to, on the Russian propaganda site he co-founded, which the Empress also likes linking to. I like to point out that she's linking to Russian propaganda when she does so. This usually causes her to insult me, rather than attempting to dispute the evidence. Not entirely unlike Trump, I suppose.
 
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Trump calls the Strozk text messages "treason"

Mr. Trump also said that messages traded between a pair of FBI employees who had been involved in the Mueller investigation amounted to treason.
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Also in that interview, perhaps related to the fact that Bannon may be talking to Mueller soon, Trump indicates that he's open to being friends again:

He declined to say whether his relationship with Mr. Bannon is broken beyond repair, however: “I don’t know what the word permanent means,” he said.
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Squeegee Beckenheim said:
Trump calls the Strozk text messages "treason"

Mr. Trump also said that messages traded between a pair of FBI employees who had been involved in the Mueller investigation amounted to treason.
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Also in that interview, perhaps related to the fact that Bannon may be talking to Mueller soon, Trump indicates that he's open to being friends again:

He declined to say whether his relationship with Mr. Bannon is broken beyond repair, however: “I don’t know what the word permanent means,” he said.
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There is the alternative explanation that he is telling the literal truth for once, and he just doesn't know what "permanent" means.
 
plague311 said:
Just wait, pretty soon it'll (he? she?) threaten to verbally demean you in front of everyone, but then decide not too because that's not it's style. This is a standard argument tactic from her/him.

It's a weird Danth's law type of deal. "I'm right, and I won, and if you don't believe me, then fear me, because I'm the smartest."

The sources are worse. I can't fathom how people believe that ********.
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Yeah, that’s what I see. Post Putin propaganda then gaslight any challengers.
 
Childlike Empress said:
That's totally beside the point, Bob. Here, for you, read the latest by Ray McGovern who breaks down the issues pretty detailed today. Take your time to read it carefully and understand the main issues, which are way beyond any musings of the paid authors of the piss dossier.
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No mention of Alexander Downer in there.
 
Republican senator Ben Sasse releases a statement about Russian cybercrime

“Russia is just getting started and the hacks, forgeries, and influence campaigns are going to get more and more sophisticated. Moscow wants to undermine America’s trust in our institutions and Putin couldn’t be happier with Washington’s obsession with making everything about settling partisan scores instead of preparing for 2018 and 2020. Last year, FBI Director Comey said he was certain that Senate IT systems have been targeted and the Attorney General said we weren’t doing enough to prepare for Russia’s next attack. The Administration needs to take urgent action to ensure that our adversaries cannot undermine the framework of our political debates and the Attorney General should come back to Congress and explain what steps he’s taken since last year.”
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The page has embedded 2 video clips establishing the veracity of his claims about what Comey and Sessions said on the subject.
 
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