Cont: All things Trump + Russia Part 3

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Latest nothing burger: The Steele dossier claim that Trump uses Cohen as a fixer is now confirmed by the $130K payment to Stormy Daniels. And since Trump apparently isn't as careful as he claims to be (shocking!) perhaps Mueller will find that Trump's pro-Putin agenda is the result of blackmail instead of collusion after all.
 
WilliamSeger said:
Latest nothing burger: The Steele dossier claim that Trump uses Cohen as a fixer is now confirmed by the $130K payment to Stormy Daniels. And since Trump apparently isn't as careful as he claims to be (shocking!) perhaps Mueller will find that Trump's pro-Putin agenda is the result of blackmail instead of collusion after all.
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While there's nothing implausible about the claim, I don't think the Daniels payoff is confirmed by any named sources at this point and is being denied by Cohen.
 
Squeegee Beckenheim said:
The article you linked to says that her lawyer walked back the statement on her payoff, not that one wasn't made.
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His original statement referenced the NDA but appears to have made no reference to any settlement payment. I've yet to see a quote where Drake or either of her attorneys says there was one.

Squeegee Beckenheim said:
And do you find that convincing? Why do you suppose she otherwise would be unable to make a public statement on the matter?
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I believe that Daniels and Drake very likely received payoffs. I suspect that Cohen was probably involved. I should be surprised if there are not other women who've been handled similarly after interactions with Trump. But none of this has been confirmed. Yet.
 
Civet said:
His original statement referenced the NDA but appears to have made no reference to any settlement payment.
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Why would she have signed it, if she weren't getting something out of doing so?

I've yet to see a quote where Drake or either of her attorneys says there was one.



I believe that Daniels and Drake very likely received payoffs. I suspect that Cohen was probably involved. I should be surprised if there are not other women who've been handled similarly after interactions with Trump. But none of this has been confirmed. Yet.
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You understand you're basically asking for someone to have broken their NDA, don't you?
 
Squeegee Beckenheim said:
You understand you're basically asking for someone to have broken their NDA, don't you?
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People have been known to violate agreements based on principle even if that meant serious personal consequences. But that's not the only way we could get confirmation. Documents can be leaked or stolen. Conversations containing admissions can be surreptitiously recorded. NDAs can sometimes be void or inapplicable in the context of a criminal investigation.
 
Civet said:
People have been known to violate agreements based on principle even if that meant serious personal consequences. But that's not the only way we could get confirmation. Documents can be leaked or stolen. Conversations containing admissions can be surreptitiously recorded. NDAs can sometimes be void or inapplicable in the context of a criminal investigation.
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So you're requiring someone else to break the NDA or leak documents because you want to know if it's for real or not? That logic doesn't seem a little misguided here?

You're also appealing to a porn stars sense of principle about something that really means nothing to her. It was consensual sex between two grown adults but Trump didn't want people to know so had her sign an NDA.
 
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plague311 said:
So you're requiring someone else to break the NDA or leak documents because you want to know if it's for real or not? That logic doesn't seem a little misguided here?

You're also appealing to a porn stars sense of principle about something really means nothing to her. It was consensual sex between two grown adults but Trump didn't want people to know so had her sign an NDA.
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Nope. I'm simply describing the circumstances under which it could happen. Unless something illegal was going on (like blackmail, for example) I don't really care how many actresses Trump had sex with or how much he paid them.
 
Civet said:
Nope. I'm simply describing the circumstances under which it could happen. Unless something illegal was going on (like blackmail, for example) I don't really care how many actresses Trump had sex with or how much he paid them.
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Nor do I to be honest. This is one of those situations where the cover up is worse than the crime, and shows how absolutely inept Trump is in almost every facet of his life. Out of everything that I absolutely despise about Trump, his sex life is easily the lowest on the bar. I don't care if he likes to pee on or be peed on. If he enjoyed dressing up in a diaper and being spanked. It means nothing to me. People are into creepy stuff. That's between him and Melania, if she doesn't care, I don't know why I should.
 
plague311 said:
Nor do I to be honest. This is one of those situations where the cover up is worse than the crime, and shows how absolutely inept Trump is in almost every facet of his life. Out of everything that I absolutely despise about Trump, his sex life is easily the lowest on the bar. I don't care if he likes to pee on or be peed on. If he enjoyed dressing up in a diaper and being spanked. It means nothing to me. People are into creepy stuff. That's between him and Melania, if she doesn't care, I don't know why I should.
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My concern is blackmail, which might not necessarily be for money.
 
plague311 said:
...That's between him and Melania, if she doesn't care, I don't know why I should.
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Hard to say if this was about keeping Trump happy by hiding it from Melania, or keeping it out of the campaign.

It was said on the news (Rachel Maddow? not sure I lose track of which shows say what) Ms Daniels was shopping the story around. Trump, being friends with the National Enquirer (via Cohen), had them buy the rights to the story then not print it. Nothing illegal, buying rights to a story requiring the seller not tell the story to anyone as the NE holds the story rights.

It's an interesting twist on free speech, surely nothing new, buying silence.
 
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Skeptic Ginger said:
It was said on the news (Rachel Maddow? not sure I lose track of which shows say what) Ms Daniels was shopping the story around. Trump, being friends with the National Enquirer (via Cohen), had them buy the rights to the story then not print it. Nothing illegal, buying rights to a story requiring the seller not tell the story to anyone as the NE holds the story rights.
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Yeah, it's all becoming a blur, and it didn't last long in the news cycle. Daniels apparently shopped her story around before signing the NDA, but the other story is that the National Enquirer paid playmate Karen McDougal $150K for exclusive rights to her story about an affair then killed it.
 
WilliamSeger said:
My concern is blackmail, which might not necessarily be for money.
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That's what I mean though. If she would have said, "Give me money or I'm telling the press", he didn't pay her, and then I saw it in the news. It really wouldn't bother me all that much. So why even bother going through with the blackmail? Everyone knows he's a creep at this point. Like 12 accusations? Sleeping with a porn star would only make him appeal to his base more. Certainly not all of them, but the core believers.
 
WilliamSeger said:
Yeah, it's all becoming a blur, and it didn't last long in the news cycle. Daniels apparently shopped her story around before signing the NDA, but the other story is that the National Enquirer paid playmate Karen McDougal $150K for exclusive rights to her story about an affair then killed it.
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Ah, I see. Makes sense for why I sort of heard it but haven't heard it since.
 
WilliamSeger said:
Yeah, it's all becoming a blur, and it didn't last long in the news cycle. Daniels apparently shopped her story around before signing the NDA, but the other story is that the National Enquirer paid playmate Karen McDougal $150K for exclusive rights to her story about an affair then killed it.
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Phew, I'm not the only one then.
 
Civet said:
People have been known to violate agreements based on principle even if that meant serious personal consequences. But that's not the only way we could get confirmation. Documents can be leaked or stolen. Conversations containing admissions can be surreptitiously recorded. NDAs can sometimes be void or inapplicable in the context of a criminal investigation.
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Yes, all those things are possible. None of them are likely. What's far more likely is that those people who have signed an NDA over something that - as we all agree - isn't really important in and of itself, will stick to that in order to keep the money they have been paid to stick to it.

Anyway, you asked for a payoff/NDA that had been confirmed by a named individual. Jessica Drake is an example of that, even though her lawyer then did a 180.
 
Planigale said:
SIS - secret intelligence service - (MI5 and MI6 have not existed since the end of the WW2). They live in the big green building next to Vauxhall bridge on the unfashionable south side of the river,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SIS_Building#/media/File:SIS_building_(26327425611).jpg
the security service (ex MI5) live on the more fashionable north side of the river.
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Apparently someone forgot to tell MI5 this
https://www.mi5.gov.uk/

And telling Alexander Downer ANYTHING you want kept secret is- well kinda dumb, the man is a moron (probably why he got on so well with trump) who only got the job because of his daddys political connections (and grandads etc- a career politician born with a silver spoon in his mouth)
 
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