Cont: All things Trump + Russia Part 3

[Stacko]

It's being reported that, contrary to everything that has been said up until now, Trump was told by White House lawyers in his first days in office about Flynn's illegal activities, but didn't fire him until those activities became public - at which point he lied about his knowledge

If this report is true, then Trump was obstructing justice when he fired Comey.

 

[BobTheCoward]

If this report is true, then Trump was obstructing justice when he fired Comey.

Not every crime is required to be investigated. As chief executive, these issues are something for the president to navigate even if he knows the parties. It isn't obvious that it is obstruction.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

If this report is true, then Trump was obstructing justice when he fired Comey.

Of course he was and the campaign was colluding (conspiring if you will) when Donny Jr emailed a Russian lawyer drooling over getting dirt on Hillary.

But for some reason, most Democratic legislators are saying wait and see, and we don't have proof yet.

Wimps.

 

[BobTheCoward]

Of course he was and the campaign was colluding (conspiring if you will) when Donny Jr emailed a Russian lawyer drooling over getting dirt on Hillary.

But for some reason, most Democratic legislators are saying wait and see, and we don't have proof yet.

Wimps.

Because you don't have proof.

 

[Squeegee Beckenheim]

If this report is true, then Trump was obstructing justice when he fired Comey.

Seth Abramson has been saying for a while that it was obstruction.

How the letter detailing the reasons for firing Comey combined with Trump's claim to have fired him because of "that Russia thing" demonstrate obstruction of justice

How admitting he knew Flynn had lied to the FBI demonstrates obstruction of justice

 

[Childlike Empress]

FBI’s McCabe stonewalls on Trump Dossier

[...] it is not only the FBI’s actions during the 2016 which are now open to criticism and scrutiny. It is also McCabe’s own individual actions since his central role in launching the Russiagate investigation and in ordering the surveillance of Hillary Clinton’s opponents is now becoming increasingly clear. Suffice to say that the discussion referred to by Peter Strzok in his ‘insurance’ email to his love Lisa Page took place in McCabe’s office.

It is not surprising therefore that McCabe continues to profess his belief in a Dossier he all but admits the FBI cannot verify. It is also not surprising that he conveniently ‘forgot’ that the Dossier upon which his whole career and reputation and that of the FBI now depends was paid for by the DNC and the Hillary Clinton campaign.

Meanwhile news from London must be making McCabe – and Robert Mueller and members of his team – still more concerned.

It turns out that over the course of a libel action brought against him by a Russian businessman mentioned in the Trump Dossier, Christopher Steele its compiler is now starting to row back on some of its claims. [...]

 

[Squeegee Beckenheim]

I'm shocked - Childlike Empress has linked to a story, and it's from a Russian propaganda site, authored by a Russian propagandist. Evidence for the above claims can be found on the previous page.

Well, here is a story covering the same events, but not from someone whose job is to spout Kremlin propaganda.

As for the story Empress has linked to, well, to pick just one example of its honesty in reporting at random, let's look at this portion quoted from the Washington Times about the Steele Dossier:

In the dossier, [Steele] stated without reservation that an “extensive conspiracy between Trump’s campaign team and the Kremlin” existed.

Well, if you read the text of the Steele Dossier (pdf)* you'll find the phrase "extensive conspiracy between Trump's campaign team and the Kremlin" twice. Are either of those two occasions "without reservation"? Let's see:

FURTHER INDICATIONS OF EXTENSIVE CONSPIRACY BETWEEN CAMPAIGN TEAM AND THE KREMLIN

"Indications"? That's not "without reservation", is it? How about the sentence under that headline?

Further evidence of extensive conspiracy between campaign team and Kremlin, sanctioned at highest levels and involving Russian diplomatic staff based in the US

"Further evidence"? That's not "without reservation", either, is it?

So this article is focusing on what politicians from both sides of the aisle have said was not the main focus of the interviews, is falsely claiming that the Steele Dossier is the only evidence on which the investigation is based, and is repeating lies about the contents of the Dossier. I'm shocked at the lack of honesty from a website that disseminates Kremlin propaganda authored by a Kremlin propagandist.

*Searchable text version here.

 

[Childlike Empress]

^ see what he's doing, folks? Franticly backpedaling from the whole "Russia gate" narrative while blaming "Russian propagandists" for his confusion. Boomerang, going whoosh as I've told you for weeks if not months now. To funny if not for the broader context. Better get in line, "skeptics". The direction is backwards.

 

[Squeegee Beckenheim]

^ see what he's doing, folks?

Pointing out when you post Russian propaganda? Referring to the evidence, which you have been unable to counter, that you're posting Russian propaganda? Pointing out how the Russian propaganda you post deviates from the truth?

Yeah, I think people do see that.

Franticly backpedaling from the whole "Russia gate" narrative while blaming "Russian propagandists" for his confusion.

One sentence containing two completely different statements, both of which you've pulled out of your arse.

If you think I'm doing any kind of "backpedaling" then can you link to any statement I've made which I've contradicted in my previous post? Or, indeed, any statement I've made which is in any way mitigated by my previous post?

The answer is no, you can't, because you've just made that up.

And if you can take someone pointing out factual errors, with reference to the actual source material rather than the lies disseminated by the Kremlin propaganda you keep posting, as an indication of "confusion" then, well, it's no wonder your grasp on other facts is so tenuous.

Still, you wanted to know what an ad hominem was: and now you know. What you did in that post was to attack my character rather than address my arguments. So there you go.

 

[Childlike Empress]

Now give it a rest. Maybe after that you'll be more able to understand the situation.

 

[Squeegee Beckenheim]

Another ad hominem, still no substance.

 

[Childlike Empress]

Now this Reagan insider seems to have been turned into a commie as well:

The RussiaGate Witch-Hunt---The Deep State's "Insurance Policy"

There was a sinister plot to meddle in the 2016 election, after all. But it was not orchestrated from the Kremlin; it was an entirely homegrown affair conducted from the inner sanctums---the White House, DOJ, the Hoover Building and Langley----of the Imperial City.

Likewise, the perpetrators didn't speak Russian or write in the Cyrillic script. In fact, they were lifetime beltway insiders occupying the highest positions of power in the US government.

Here are the names and rank of the principal conspirators: John Brennan, CIA director; Susan Rice, National Security Advisor; Samantha Power, UN Ambassador; James Clapper, Director of National Intelligence; James Comey, FBI director; Andrew McCabe, Deputy FBI director; Sally Yates, deputy Attorney General, Bruce Ohr, associate deputy AG; Peter Strzok, deputy assistant director of FBI counterintelligence; Lisa Page, FBI lawyer; and countless other lessor and greater poobahs of Washington power, including President Obama himself.

To a person, the participants in this illicit cabal shared the core trait that made Obama such a blight on the nation's well-being. To wit, he never held an honest job outside the halls of government in his entire adult life; and as a careerist agent of the state and practitioner of its purported goods works, he exuded a sanctimonious disdain for everyday citizens who make their living along the capitalist highways and by-ways of America.

The above cast of election-meddlers, of course, comes from the same mold. If Wikipedia is roughly correct, just these 10 named perpetrators have punched in about 300 years of post-graduate employment---and 260 of those years (87%) were on government payrolls or government contractor jobs. [...]

 

[Beelzebuddy]

Where are you getting these crazy fringe stories out of nowhere? Do they email you a list? Do you pick randomly from the list whenever you need to change the subject, or is there a specified order?

 

[Childlike Empress]

Where are you getting these crazy fringe stories out of nowhere? Do they email you a list? Do you pick randomly from the list whenever you need to change the subject, or is there a specified order?

I'm mostly using a professional newsfeed reader to catch up with what is going on, so there is few distraction with crappy design or adverts directed at morons. In this case, the article was carried by a subscribed site for adult geopolitical analysts called "Strategic Culture Foundation", which might have some contacts to Russia, so I figured I would post the original article on the guy's website and have a LOL with the introduction (which totally contradicts even the snippet, I hope you've noticed).

 

[varwoche]

<snip infantile content>

Now give it a rest. Maybe after that you'll be more able to understand the situation.

As I read it, SB understands the situation, and s/he has done a good job demonstrating that you're foisting brazen propaganda. What else is new?

 

[Childlike Empress]

What else is new?

Certainly not my assessment of your assessments. Another useless click.

 

[W.D.Clinger]

I'm almost tired of being right all the time.

Yeah, all that winning can sure tire you out.

Even Donald Trump, whose legendary endurance eclipses everyone this side of Kim Jong Un, has begun to grow tired of winning. Back when Trump was fresh, before he Made America Great Again, he would have celebrated his 128-9-35 victory in the UN with an exuberantly joyful tweet ordering his State Department and other swampers to defund the UN and the 128 losers of that vote.

 

[Squeegee Beckenheim]

I'm mostly using a professional newsfeed reader to catch up with what is going on, so there is few distraction with crappy design or adverts directed at morons. In this case, the article was carried by a subscribed site for adult geopolitical analysts called "Strategic Culture Foundation", which might have some contacts to Russia, so I figured I would post the original article on the guy's website and have a LOL with the introduction (which totally contradicts even the snippet, I hope you've noticed).

Are you saying you posted the article because you wanted everybody to laugh at how ridiculously stupid it is? If so, then well done.

 

[Foolmewunz]

Apparently the Congressional dissatisfaction with the Russia investigations is not shared by the American public. I'm sure it's because we're unfairly cut off from the stooges and propagandists. Yeah, that's it.


http://edition.cnn.com/2017/12/21/politics/trump-mueller-russia-poll/index.html

 

[Squeegee Beckenheim]

Apparently the Congressional dissatisfaction with the Russia investigations is not shared by the American public. I'm sure it's because we're unfairly cut off from the stooges and propagandists. Yeah, that's it.


http://edition.cnn.com/2017/12/21/politics/trump-mueller-russia-poll/index.html

I think the takeaway from that is that a third disapprove. I think that's a worrying testimony to how effective the disinformation campaign has been.