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Air defenses

I have to wonder if articles like this one in the Times are the original source of the Pentagon and White House missile defence theories.

During the Gulf War, uniformed air-defense teams could be seen patrolling the top floor with automatic rifles or shoulder-mounted ground-to-air missiles. In theory the air-defense teams could take out a threatening plane if it could be spotted, identified and targeted in time. In practice, the notion of firing heavy weapons in an urban area is probably unwise, particularly when one can stand on the South Lawn and watch plane after plane taking off and landing at nearby National Airport. Heat- seeking missiles have been known to find targets other than those intended for destruction.
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PhantomWolf said:
I have to wonder if articles like this one in the Times are the original source of the Pentagon and White House missile defence theories.
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Having written the paper mentioned in the OP, as far as I can tell Thierry Meyssan is the basis of the theory. His insistence that there are missile defenses at the Pentagon is based on... well.... absolutely nothing except for the the fact that "we all know that there are missile defenses at the Pentagon!"

I have never seen a single source for this story based on any actual news report, or first-hand witness, nor any description whatsoever of the defenses, their design, or operation. It is entirely speculation.
 
JamesB said:
Having written the paper mentioned in the OP, as far as I can tell Thierry Meyssan is the basis of the theory. His insistence that there are missile defenses at the Pentagon is based on... well.... absolutely nothing except for the the fact that "we all know that there are missile defenses at the Pentagon!"

I have never seen a single source for this story based on any actual news report, or first-hand witness, nor any description whatsoever of the defenses, their design, or operation. It is entirely speculation.
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The other day I was at Borders and read some of DRG New Pearl Harbor. Since I can't bring myself to buy it, can't stand the thought of a dime of my hard earned money ending up in his hands, I read it there for free. Anyway I noticed he repeats the part about VMFA-321 in NPH and Debunking 9-11 Debunking. Another case of "solid research" by Mr. Griffin.
 
JamesB said:
Having written the paper mentioned in the OP, as far as I can tell Thierry Meyssan is the basis of the theory. His insistence that there are missile defenses at the Pentagon is based on... well.... absolutely nothing except for the the fact that "we all know that there are missile defenses at the Pentagon!"

I have never seen a single source for this story based on any actual news report, or first-hand witness, nor any description whatsoever of the defenses, their design, or operation. It is entirely speculation.
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April Gallop also made some vague references to a misslie defense system at the pentagon. I had read somewhere previously that she was told that "during orientation" but I am unable to locate that specific reference.

James B: Excellent work on the paper in the OP.
 
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Calcas said:
April Gallop also made some vague references to a misslie defense system at the pentagon. I had read somewhere previously that she was told that "during orientation" but I am unable to locate that specific reference. However, she does talk about it here.

http://www.jod911.com/There_Are_No_Missile_Defenses_at_the_Pentagon.pdf

BTW, this is far and away the best paper I have read on this specific subject.
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She was quoted on the LCF by Dylan Avery as saying that that they told her "the Pentagon was one of the most secure buildings in the world", which she somehow took to mean, "there are automated air defenses". I would have taken it to mean armed guards, mandatory IDs and blast proof windows, but hey, what do I know?
 
JamesB said:
She was quoted on the LCF by Dylan Avery as saying that that they told her "the Pentagon was one of the most secure buildings in the world", which she somehow took to mean, "there are automated air defenses". I would have taken it to mean armed guards, mandatory IDs and blast proof windows, but hey, what do I know?
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Well, it seems that the ONLY resource that the "Troofer Movement" has to verify those air defenses is April Gallop.

It's pathetic that they've taken a low level (probably a GS-5) Pentagon Employee traumatized by the attack and obviously mentally unstable and exploited her. They will stoop to sub human levels in a feeble attempt to support their claims.

Of course, the slander that Lyte Bulb has heaped on Lloyd Englund is equally repulsive and just as low life as the former.

BTW, wasn't it Lyte Bulb who found and interviewed April and not Do-over?
 
dudalb said:
Oh,when will Lucasgames get off their duff and give us a state of the art X Wing/Tie Fighter Game?
OT but irresistable.
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[ot]*sigh* I don't know, not sure they actualy will. Having one with a storyline would be great, rather than the mess they did of the last one (I did start BoP, but a friend borrowed it after I ended up minus a computer, and I never got it back)

SWG is updating their space system in Chapter 8 (they are about to launch chapter 7) and while it's not quite as good as the X-Wing/TIE fighter models (for a start the game area is only 16kmx16kmx16km rather than 99kmx99kmx99km) it is pretty good and has a number of advatages, such as customising your ship's look and components. Hopefully when they do Chapter 8 they'll fix the very few bad bits and keep the 95% that works great. Having been flying to get my Character to Ace the past few nights, I've been enjoying it. :)

Now back to your regularly scheduled pentagon chat[/ot]

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PhantomWolf said:
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And when you think about it, he could easily have the X-Wing fighter fitted with the space weaponry that's been batted around by some of the CTs.

Guys, we should research this further. We might all owe Judy Wood a big apology. :(
 
dudalb said:
Oh,when will Lucasgames get off their duff and give us a state of the art X Wing/Tie Fighter Game?
OT but irresistable.
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You may want to check out the X-Wing Alliance Upgrade web site. What they've done remaking and improving the fighter and ship models in the now rather old X-Wing Alliance game is very impressive.
 
Reheat said:
Well, it seems that the ONLY resource that the "Troofer Movement" has to verify those air defenses is April Gallop.

It's pathetic that they've taken a low level (probably a GS-5) Pentagon Employee traumatized by the attack and obviously mentally unstable and exploited her. They will stoop to sub human levels in a feeble attempt to support their claims.

Of course, the slander that Lyte Bulb has heaped on Lloyd Englund is equally repulsive and just as low life as the former.

BTW, wasn't it Lyte Bulb who found and interviewed April and not Do-over?
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Can you provide some evidence/background that will convince me to refrain from calling this an ad hom attack on her overall credibility?

Is her job title/pay grade documented?

Is her trauma/mental instability documented?
 
When I first heard of Judy Woods "energy Weapon took down the WTC"theory,my first thought was of this:

 
Mr. Skinny said:
Can you provide some evidence/background that will convince me to refrain from calling this an ad hom attack on her overall credibility?

Is her job title/pay grade documented?

Is her trauma/mental instability documented?
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Well, it does appear that way now that I read it again. Those comments were not intended to be an attack on Ms Gallop at all. I intended the emphasis to be on the exploitation of her by the TM. If an apology is in order for unsupported allegations I offer that apology now.

She was an Administrative Specialist with the US Army. It does appear that she may have been Active Duty Army as it's still not clear one way or another. Perhaps I'm mistaken regarding the GS part. At any rate based upon what she has said she is not credible as a reference for any defensive system in place at the Pentagon, period and the TM is reprehensible for using her for that purpose.

As for her trauma both physical and mental.....
Both [her son] continue to suffer from the effects of that day, and April, who walks with a cane, said she developed post-traumatic stress disorder afterward.
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http://www.dartcenter.org/articles/oped/2004_09_17.html
 
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JamesB said:
She was quoted on the LCF by Dylan Avery as saying that that they told her "the Pentagon was one of the most secure buildings in the world", which she somehow took to mean, "there are automated air defenses". I would have taken it to mean armed guards, mandatory IDs and blast proof windows, but hey, what do I know?
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Frankly one would have to be somewhat stupid to think the Pentagon was "one of the most secure buildings in the world", in any sense. I mean, prior to 9/11 they had daily public tours and a friggen subway opened into it. That's not secure.

-Gumboot
 
gumboot said:
Frankly one would have to be somewhat stupid to think the Pentagon was "one of the most secure buildings in the world", in any sense. I mean, prior to 9/11 they had daily public tours and a friggen subway opened into it. That's not secure.

-Gumboot
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That's a good point. Secure is a realative term. Was the Pentagon more secure than lets say your average office building in the US? Yes it was. Was it more secure than the HQ for Mossad? No it was not.
 
gumboot said:
Frankly one would have to be somewhat stupid to think the Pentagon was "one of the most secure buildings in the world", in any sense. I mean, prior to 9/11 they had daily public tours and a friggen subway opened into it. That's not secure.

-Gumboot
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It also has a Subway™ in it, but to get a sub there you have to have a security clearance because you have to go through the Security checkpoints. It's probably the most secure Take out in the world, with the Possible exception of a BK joint that in in one of the US Bases in Europe.
 
You do not need a security clearance to eat at one of the many restaurants in the Pentagon.

You do need to go through a security checkpoint, but an in depth background check (and a sponsor) is all that's needed to be badged for Pentagon access.

Also, someone with Escort priviledges can escort non-badged visitors.
 
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