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African shaman performing levitation
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That's it! Look for some magnets and liquid nitrogen under the sand, and case closed!
But how does he keep it cooled with that fire on top it? Maybe that's what's hidden behind the palmleaves, his cooling system.
DangerousBeliefs
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I'll agree on the humor... insidespace just keeps laying the bombs.
13 maybe? I used to so want to believe some of that stuff when I was a kid.
Perfect example of why we need a critical thinking class in school.
insidespace - QUESTION YOUR BELIEFS... I think you'll find the world opens to you.
Right now, you remind me of my aunt. She used to send me -and believe- all the crackpot emails floating around the Internet. Actually, she'd send them to everyone she knew. Over time, with some persistence and constant -that's not true- emails back, she is finally starting to question these emails rather than accepting them at face value.
Many of the things you've stated here are simply untrue beliefs and others are really out there in left field. Maybe you should start a new thread "insidepsace believes..." and folks can point you in the right direction.
13 maybe? I used to so want to believe some of that stuff when I was a kid.
Perfect example of why we need a critical thinking class in school.
insidespace - QUESTION YOUR BELIEFS... I think you'll find the world opens to you.
Right now, you remind me of my aunt. She used to send me -and believe- all the crackpot emails floating around the Internet. Actually, she'd send them to everyone she knew. Over time, with some persistence and constant -that's not true- emails back, she is finally starting to question these emails rather than accepting them at face value.
Many of the things you've stated here are simply untrue beliefs and others are really out there in left field. Maybe you should start a new thread "insidepsace believes..." and folks can point you in the right direction.
LTC8K6
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Is that right?
*Ahem*
I has a theory wot explains the levitation of special people.
My theory is as follows:
The angels and holy beings live up in the heavens above the clouds. The debbils and bad beings live in h-e-double-toothpicks, which lies down below the ground. We knows this because the Roosians has lowered a microphone to h-e-double-toothpicks and has recorded screams and groans and howls of pain and "The Girl from Ipanema" playing on a endless loop, right?
Now, the debbils and demunz tries to hold on to all the things of the Earth. But you get a good guy, like a shaman, he say "Shaman you, debbils!" And they gots no holt on him, an he fliez up toward the good beings of the universe, wot lives in the sky, an we calls that levitation, right?
Because the debbils an demons tries to hold onto all the things of this world, I calls this theory, witch is mine....
The theory of grabbity.
I thanks you.
Edited to add:
Of course they laughed at Einstein and Edison! They were funny, funny guys! Edison used to have an endless series of dirty variations on "Mary Had a Little Lamb" that kept them rolling in the aisles for ages. And Einstein, man, what a raconteur! I still remember those evenings in his home in Princeton when he kept us students laughing and laughing, going from one joke to another, in his adorable German accent: "Zo dese two peanutz valked into a dark alley, und vun vas assaulted peanut!" "Ein skeleton valks into a bar und says, 'Giff me ein beer und ein mop!'" "Zere vas dis cowboy who vore clothes all made of brown paper: brown paper hat, brown paper shirt, brown paper verst, brown paper trousers, brown paper chaps. Zey hung de poor guy for rustling!"
Happy days, happy days.
I has a theory wot explains the levitation of special people.
My theory is as follows:
The angels and holy beings live up in the heavens above the clouds. The debbils and bad beings live in h-e-double-toothpicks, which lies down below the ground. We knows this because the Roosians has lowered a microphone to h-e-double-toothpicks and has recorded screams and groans and howls of pain and "The Girl from Ipanema" playing on a endless loop, right?
Now, the debbils and demunz tries to hold on to all the things of the Earth. But you get a good guy, like a shaman, he say "Shaman you, debbils!" And they gots no holt on him, an he fliez up toward the good beings of the universe, wot lives in the sky, an we calls that levitation, right?
Because the debbils an demons tries to hold onto all the things of this world, I calls this theory, witch is mine....
The theory of grabbity.
I thanks you.
Edited to add:
Of course they laughed at Einstein and Edison! They were funny, funny guys! Edison used to have an endless series of dirty variations on "Mary Had a Little Lamb" that kept them rolling in the aisles for ages. And Einstein, man, what a raconteur! I still remember those evenings in his home in Princeton when he kept us students laughing and laughing, going from one joke to another, in his adorable German accent: "Zo dese two peanutz valked into a dark alley, und vun vas assaulted peanut!" "Ein skeleton valks into a bar und says, 'Giff me ein beer und ein mop!'" "Zere vas dis cowboy who vore clothes all made of brown paper: brown paper hat, brown paper shirt, brown paper verst, brown paper trousers, brown paper chaps. Zey hung de poor guy for rustling!"
Happy days, happy days.
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You know how the back of a fridge gets hot because the heat gets sucked out of the inside? Well, since his magnets need to be kept even colder, the back of his chiller gets so hot it looks like flames.
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I simply just can't imagine what motivation this African preacher and miracle worker would have for needing to use standard magic tricks to exploit the desperate and needy either...
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Who would care?????
insidespace
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Hmmm I guess I don't get the joke about Einstein. I thought he was a great man.
Well, I don't know what to say, really, accept that "there are many things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy." (Ref: Shakespere).
But it seems like there are a lot of people here who know things, so I would like to drop the reference to Einstein and get back to the Shaman (who, as I note, was wearing a robe that I think the Africans really wore -- disproving the idea that it was a film from Hollywood).
The issue before us, is.....is it *POSSIBLE* that the Shaman can levitate. Now earlier I said "fly" but I think it is much more possible he (or she) can levitate and not fly. Why do I say this? Because everyone knows it is easy to jump a little rather than a lot. True aerodynamic flying has only been observed in birds and airplanes (and insects I guess). I do NOT consider ordinary "dust" to be "flying" in the sense of going somewhere. The Shaman is not just like a dust mote or a feather in that regard. But, and this is a big "but" he is not truly "flying." If someone showed me a video of a "flying shaman" I would say *HOAX*. But, just levitating "just" off the ground, which is within the range that some people can jump (REF: Michael Jordan), does not violate Physical Law, obviously, or the NBA would be in Violation.
So the question is what could cause a person to "suspend a jump" so that in a purely natural process, not an angel like was said above (I specifically did *NOT* claim that G-D levitated that Shaman. For all I know, he does not even believe in G-D, but believes in some kind of tribal or native religion from
Africa.
In looking at the possibilities (vibration control is one), I am struck by the observation that this kind of thing has been reported all over the world, in all religions and walks of life, before doubters and believers, before skeptics and gullible people. Not only levitation as observed, but big objects (as I said above) including what people call "UFO's" (I am not really sure, here, about whether they are military experiments gone wrong, or what -- lets leave that interesting subject for another discussion, OK?) do, on film, "levitate" to small distances above the earth and thereby "hover" while (well, this is in disupte I guess) the "occupants" or "beings" (if they are not human, which I actually doubt), do what they do (which is another subject entirely).
And, beyond that, can we possibly know all there is to know. They say Babe Ruth once hit a homer that went farther than "physically possible" because the ball "took off." I remember everyone said it was impossible. But aerodynamics has tricks up its sleeve. It is not nice to fool "mother nature" and nature always has the last laugh.
And without these mysteries, how could we dream? If everything is reduced to "mathematics," why bother living? You could predict your life with mathematics, but it would not be fun.
And if it is *never* possible to levitate (or fly, for that matter), how do you account for people being able to see things they could not possibly see. I once, personally, had a "dream" (or was it real) that I could fly if I really tried. I did not have to flap (since I did not, even in my dream state, have wings, I think it would be really stupid to have wings for a person), but I kicked hard and it did it. I had, as they said to the Wright Brothers (who were also laughed at you know-- they all said it was impossible to fly ha ha) afterward that they had "controlled" flight. Well the interesting thing is, how would evolution have provided me the knowledge of "how" to fly in controlled flight, if it was impossible????? There would never be a way for my "body" to learn this if it was not somehow remotely possible in the far future.
Now the idea about getting "heavier" (which I did with my dog). I have never seen him get "lighter" so I admit I cannot mathematically prove it works. What I have seen is that he gets heavier for a limited time. What exactly that time is, I can't say. But I am convinced it's real. It is *not* just my imagination. I can hardly pick him up when he tenses his muscles and resists. Now, is the point you are making that it would not show on a scale? OK, well, maybe not *all* things can be measured on a scale. Isn't it possible something can be "heavier" in the sense of harder to lift, with a scale showing no change. Just a thought, there, to expand our minds.
I hope this clarifies things, expecially what I am *not* claiming. Also, I will do what the poster above invited me to do, but I have no time just right now.
Thank you people.
Well, I don't know what to say, really, accept that "there are many things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy." (Ref: Shakespere).
But it seems like there are a lot of people here who know things, so I would like to drop the reference to Einstein and get back to the Shaman (who, as I note, was wearing a robe that I think the Africans really wore -- disproving the idea that it was a film from Hollywood).
The issue before us, is.....is it *POSSIBLE* that the Shaman can levitate. Now earlier I said "fly" but I think it is much more possible he (or she) can levitate and not fly. Why do I say this? Because everyone knows it is easy to jump a little rather than a lot. True aerodynamic flying has only been observed in birds and airplanes (and insects I guess). I do NOT consider ordinary "dust" to be "flying" in the sense of going somewhere. The Shaman is not just like a dust mote or a feather in that regard. But, and this is a big "but" he is not truly "flying." If someone showed me a video of a "flying shaman" I would say *HOAX*. But, just levitating "just" off the ground, which is within the range that some people can jump (REF: Michael Jordan), does not violate Physical Law, obviously, or the NBA would be in Violation.
So the question is what could cause a person to "suspend a jump" so that in a purely natural process, not an angel like was said above (I specifically did *NOT* claim that G-D levitated that Shaman. For all I know, he does not even believe in G-D, but believes in some kind of tribal or native religion from
Africa.
In looking at the possibilities (vibration control is one), I am struck by the observation that this kind of thing has been reported all over the world, in all religions and walks of life, before doubters and believers, before skeptics and gullible people. Not only levitation as observed, but big objects (as I said above) including what people call "UFO's" (I am not really sure, here, about whether they are military experiments gone wrong, or what -- lets leave that interesting subject for another discussion, OK?) do, on film, "levitate" to small distances above the earth and thereby "hover" while (well, this is in disupte I guess) the "occupants" or "beings" (if they are not human, which I actually doubt), do what they do (which is another subject entirely).
And, beyond that, can we possibly know all there is to know. They say Babe Ruth once hit a homer that went farther than "physically possible" because the ball "took off." I remember everyone said it was impossible. But aerodynamics has tricks up its sleeve. It is not nice to fool "mother nature" and nature always has the last laugh.
And without these mysteries, how could we dream? If everything is reduced to "mathematics," why bother living? You could predict your life with mathematics, but it would not be fun.
And if it is *never* possible to levitate (or fly, for that matter), how do you account for people being able to see things they could not possibly see. I once, personally, had a "dream" (or was it real) that I could fly if I really tried. I did not have to flap (since I did not, even in my dream state, have wings, I think it would be really stupid to have wings for a person), but I kicked hard and it did it. I had, as they said to the Wright Brothers (who were also laughed at you know-- they all said it was impossible to fly ha ha) afterward that they had "controlled" flight. Well the interesting thing is, how would evolution have provided me the knowledge of "how" to fly in controlled flight, if it was impossible????? There would never be a way for my "body" to learn this if it was not somehow remotely possible in the far future.
Now the idea about getting "heavier" (which I did with my dog). I have never seen him get "lighter" so I admit I cannot mathematically prove it works. What I have seen is that he gets heavier for a limited time. What exactly that time is, I can't say. But I am convinced it's real. It is *not* just my imagination. I can hardly pick him up when he tenses his muscles and resists. Now, is the point you are making that it would not show on a scale? OK, well, maybe not *all* things can be measured on a scale. Isn't it possible something can be "heavier" in the sense of harder to lift, with a scale showing no change. Just a thought, there, to expand our minds.
I hope this clarifies things, expecially what I am *not* claiming. Also, I will do what the poster above invited me to do, but I have no time just right now.
Thank you people.
Locknar
Sum of all evils tm
insidespace - Wow.
Anyway...the basic answer to your question is NO, it is NOT NOT NOT possible for a person, or object, to simply levitate via any other then mechanical means.
Why...your friend and mine - gravity! If the guy in this video could REALLY levitate, ie. negate the effects of gravity, he’d quickly go spinning out of control and zooming into space – because there would be no gravity to hold him here.
What you see is a poorly documented trick, using poor quality recording & careful camera angles; nothing more. That aside, when in the air, it is clear he is being held up by some mechanical means around his waist…his upper and lower body moves, but his waist stays stationary.
It could be a lever (ie. think “teeter-totter”) hooked to his back (since we NEVER see his back or a full body side shot) or wires hooked to a harness (the film is simply to poor a quality and would mask any such visible wires).
Anyway...the basic answer to your question is NO, it is NOT NOT NOT possible for a person, or object, to simply levitate via any other then mechanical means.
Why...your friend and mine - gravity! If the guy in this video could REALLY levitate, ie. negate the effects of gravity, he’d quickly go spinning out of control and zooming into space – because there would be no gravity to hold him here.
What you see is a poorly documented trick, using poor quality recording & careful camera angles; nothing more. That aside, when in the air, it is clear he is being held up by some mechanical means around his waist…his upper and lower body moves, but his waist stays stationary.
It could be a lever (ie. think “teeter-totter”) hooked to his back (since we NEVER see his back or a full body side shot) or wires hooked to a harness (the film is simply to poor a quality and would mask any such visible wires).
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JoeEllison
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No. The issue before us is: "Is the Shaman levitating?"
That's it. All your speculation is useless, because you haven't established that you're even speculating about something that is happening.
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Getting up off the gound does not violate physics. It is the holding it up for longer than a split second that does.
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I wonder how much racism is involved in believing this video is real.
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There's a lot of jokes going on in this thread, as I suspect you know all too well...
Ok, you can either read, been forced to read, or have a bit of google-fu. I'm having a hard time coorelating somebody who reads Shakespere with somebody who beleives dogs and shamen levitate, and the universe has "vibes, man, like with the cosmos n stuff. Far out".
The more you write, the better picture we're building of you. I'm guessing, now, but I'd say you are older than 13, younger than 25. English might not be your first language. You just went back to school, within the last few days. You're bored, possibly stoned, and you and your buddies want to screw with some skeptics.
Hmmm?
No. Now either prove it or drop it.
No. These are impossibilities. Only the gullible bite on it.
Riiight. Dude, stick to one point. Stop bouncing all over the place, you're doing that on purpose. Choose one topic, and then try to prove it.
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You know, insidespace, you are right that "people" doubted Einstein and Edison. If by "people" you mean fellow scientists you are also right but perhaps you fail to realise that's something all scientists everywhere do. If you come up with some new groundbreaking -or even something much less than groundbreaking- your colleagues around the world will not go "WOW"! They will all go "Oh yeah? Prove it!".
And, being a scientist you then provide all the calculations or other proof you have and your colleagues all try to debunk it. Then, after repeating your experiment or calculation or whatever, they see that yes, you were actually right. Or they find faults that mean you were wrong.
And, being a scientist you then provide all the calculations or other proof you have and your colleagues all try to debunk it. Then, after repeating your experiment or calculation or whatever, they see that yes, you were actually right. Or they find faults that mean you were wrong.
Spektator
Is that right?
I said he was great! Not only was he a wonderful teacher, but he never wore socks.
No, you couldn't. As Dr. Ian Malcolm conclusively proved with a drop of water, chaos theory means you cannot predict your own life, and you are likely to be eaten by a tyrannosaur at any moment.
We can easily account for people seeing theings they cannot possibly see:
*They may be lying.
*They may be hallucinating.
*They may be the victims of fraud.
*They may be in the audience of a magic show.
*They may be completely mistaken.
*They may be dreaming.
When you had a "dream," my money is that in all cold actuality, you had a dream.
Who laughed at the Wright Brothers? During their time, every serious researcher knew that powered flight was possible and was likely to come about within a few years. Experimenters in Germany, England, Brazil, and the U.S. had already achieved heavier-than-air gliders; power was only the next step, and nobody who knew the subject was laughing.
derail ?
Are you confusing "defeating gravity" with defeating momentum?
If you toss a ball straight up on a moving train does it fly to the back of the train?
/derail
Foolmewunz
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Derail: I'd be curious about that flying dream. Ya see, I had that repeatedly as a kid, also. And just as described,.... sort of like kicking your legs in a dog paddle but in the air, and there I was flying. (And wondering why everyone else thought it was so different and strange.)
Of course, I also dreamed that my family were murderers much in the casual style of Arsenic and Old Lace, so I don't doubt for a second that my flying dream was just that - a dream (or I'd be forced to believe that in some sort of parallel reality my mom and sister and brother and I were lacadaisical murderers).
:end derail
Of course, I also dreamed that my family were murderers much in the casual style of Arsenic and Old Lace, so I don't doubt for a second that my flying dream was just that - a dream (or I'd be forced to believe that in some sort of parallel reality my mom and sister and brother and I were lacadaisical murderers).
:end derail
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Oh, so wearing a robe that is really worn in Africa disproves the idea that it is a film. And seeing men in actual army clothes disproves the idea that it could be a film right? Because army uniforms are worn ONLY in the army and you go to jail if you wear it say on a film set. You know that this is one of the most silly arguments you've made so far (and you have made many of them up to now).insidespace said:
Regards,
Yair
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insidspace, as you can see I've become obssesed with your sillyness.
You said you're willing to be educated.
Try this experiment:
Think for a couple of minutes that you don't know how the levitation in the film was done. You just don't know and you want to find out. Now read all the posts in this thread again (excluding your posts) and watch the videos that many have referenced you to. You can probably see that there are plenty of ways to do levitations. They are ALL made with tricks.
Now ask yourself this: why should I believe that the levitation was done with energy particles/god/power of the mind/black magic/voodoo/you name it and not with the tricks that I've been suggested by everyone here. If all the evidence points in one direction, why take the other direction?
Point 2 for considering: I'm sure you're aware that if levitation was possible by the power of the mind, that would be one of the greatest discoveries of all time. The person discovering it will earn a nobel prize immediately and will be up there with greats such as Einsteain, Newton and Galilleo. So why do you think this great discovery remains in Youtube and has not been announced world wide? Is there some conspiracy to conceal the ability to levitate?
Again, all the evidence points in one direction but you choose going in the other direction.
Look around, the world is not as scary or boring as you may think it would be if all laws of nature are mathematical.
And please, start refering to what people have said here and not continue blindly throwing out wild theories.
Regards,
Yair
You said you're willing to be educated.
Try this experiment:
Think for a couple of minutes that you don't know how the levitation in the film was done. You just don't know and you want to find out. Now read all the posts in this thread again (excluding your posts) and watch the videos that many have referenced you to. You can probably see that there are plenty of ways to do levitations. They are ALL made with tricks.
Now ask yourself this: why should I believe that the levitation was done with energy particles/god/power of the mind/black magic/voodoo/you name it and not with the tricks that I've been suggested by everyone here. If all the evidence points in one direction, why take the other direction?
Point 2 for considering: I'm sure you're aware that if levitation was possible by the power of the mind, that would be one of the greatest discoveries of all time. The person discovering it will earn a nobel prize immediately and will be up there with greats such as Einsteain, Newton and Galilleo. So why do you think this great discovery remains in Youtube and has not been announced world wide? Is there some conspiracy to conceal the ability to levitate?
Again, all the evidence points in one direction but you choose going in the other direction.
Look around, the world is not as scary or boring as you may think it would be if all laws of nature are mathematical.
And please, start refering to what people have said here and not continue blindly throwing out wild theories.
Regards,
Yair