African shaman performing levitation

Normal Dude said:
I'm not prepared to acknowledge that these have existed. I require photographic proof. Preferably close up.
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Google it. Why can't you use the internet to find proof of my claim?

:p

(Of course in this case you easily could...)
 
insidespace said:
OK brainwaves are not waves, just differences in voltage? .
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Brain waves as recorded by an EEG are not electromagnetic waves.

insidespace said:
How else to explain, for instance, how you "know" someone is looking at you before you really see them? It happens all the time. Evolution gives an advantage to those persons who can recognize being stared at, so you are sensitive to those brain waves. Proof: It does *not* happen with a picture or a movie, only a real live person.
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There are more prosaic and likely reasons for this than brain waves.
 
vIQleS said:
Google it. Why can't you use the internet to find proof of my claim?

:p

(Of course in this case you easily could...)
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I'd be embarrassed to state just how much of my internet time is spent doing just that. :D :o
 
OK I see that name in the first post, but the name was being used like it was a figure of speech or something. And no, I don't know that person, but who cares. The name means nothing, does it?

"Drivil" is malappropism. You just mean you don't agree. But, hey, it's OK. Its a free country to agree or disagree, even on some of the points made here.

So, I still don't see how, *IF* and its a big IF, the Shaman is real, and is really levitating, how that *COULD* be explained except he can control his magnetic vibrations and synchronize them with the cosmos. I have read explanations like that in fact. If the vibration energy can be channeled, which is not easy I bet, then it could be harnessed for the common good. But in his case he is just demonstrating something to others less informed. It is up to us, as persons in a free country, to accept or reject what he does, based on the *EVIDENCE*. Yet, two people can come to the same or different conclusion based on the *SAME* evidence. That is why they have horse races. So, one man's "drivil" is another man's "PHD thesis?" If you don't think so, explain the levitation *WITHOUT* reference to ropes, wires, fixtures, and things not in the photos.
 
insidespace said:
So, I still don't see how, *IF* and its a big IF, the Shaman is real, and is really levitating, how that *COULD* be explained except he can control his magnetic vibrations and synchronize them with the cosmos. I have read explanations like that in fact. If the vibration energy can be channeled, which is not easy I bet, then it could be harnessed for the common good.
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Yeah, I bet it ain't easy. Look, insidespace, tell ya what. You beleive you can do many things, including tell when people are staring at you, without being able to see or detect them.

You also appear to beleive in "vibration energy", and in "synchronizing them with the cosmos".

You also beleive you have a dog which is part-time weightless.

If you can prove any one of these things, you are on your way to a cool million bucks. The first one, being able to detect psychically when people are staring at you, is easily testable in a controlled environment. Are you up to it?
 
Sure, seems as if someone can tell about staring. I'd give it a try.

On the vibration things, isn't it a fact that all things vibrate, and that some people can cause those vibrations to go together all at once, but others like you and I cannot.

I just think there are many, many miracles in the universe because we only know a small corner. On another planet, people may levitate regularly and ask for explanations only when they are stuck on the ground.
 
magi said:
Yeah, I bet it ain't easy. Look, insidespace, tell ya what. You beleive you can do many things, including tell when people are staring at you, without being able to see or detect them.

You also appear to beleive in "vibration energy", and in "synchronizing them with the cosmos".

You also beleive you have a dog which is part-time weightless.

If you can prove any one of these things, you are on your way to a cool million bucks. The first one, being able to detect psychically when people are staring at you, is easily testable in a controlled environment. Are you up to it?
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Honestly I'd like to see the dog which is part-time weightless claim tested. I mean imagine all those crying children who could get their lost circus balloons back.

Won't someone think of the children?
 
insidespace said:
On the vibration things, isn't it a fact that all things vibrate, and that some people can cause those vibrations to go together all at once, but others like you and I cannot.
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No, that's not a fact. That is a belief. Your belief. It will remain a mere belief unless and until you can demonstrate something to back it up.

Are you saying you think you could be tested for the paranormal ability to detect when you are being looked at?
 
PopeTom said:
Honestly I'd like to see the dog which is part-time weightless claim tested. I mean imagine all those crying children who could get their lost circus balloons back.

Won't someone think of the children?
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Well, yeah. Think of all the crying children, looking up, watching their little puppies fly away, getting tangled in trees and power lines, run over by Cessnas. No, no, no, we've got to hope his dog does not communicate psychically with all the other dogs.
 
magi said:
Well, yeah. Think of all the crying children, looking up, watching their little puppies fly away, getting tangled in trees and power lines, run over by Cessnas. No, no, no, we've got to hope his dog does not communicate psychically with all the other dogs.
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Imagine all the trouble cats would be in if the dogs managed to develop stinger missile technology.
 
insidespace said:
Sure, seems as if someone can tell about staring. I'd give it a try.

On the vibration things, isn't it a fact that all things vibrate, and that some people can cause those vibrations to go together all at once, but others like you and I cannot.

I just think there are many, many miracles in the universe because we only know a small corner. On another planet, people may levitate regularly and ask for explanations only when they are stuck on the ground.
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You keep saying "we know so little about x" then making some wildly ridiculous claim bout x. I've never actually seen someone attempt a proof by lack of evidence for other stuff, but it's definitely entertaining.
 
What I don't get is, if the shaman is giving off brain waves that are supposed to make us think that he is levitating, then how is he able to fool the camera, which is theoretically brainless? Is YouTube recording and rebroadcasting these brainwaves?

Insidespace, perhaps you ought to go look up something called "Occam's Razor".
 
InsideSpace, hi , I've just joined this discussion.

insidespace said:
I can assure you, many people I know would agree with me about these things. But I am willing to be educated.
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You said you are willing to be educated and that is great as we all are willing as well to be educated.

Let us both be educated together. Here is my suggestion:

Step 1: Please watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8qX0ZhzJBU

Step 2: If the title of the video in step 1 said "A Voodoo Priest Flying" and the people in the video were dressed in strange clothes and mumbling some strange words, would you be able to believe that the person was actually flying and that it was no trick? You have to agree that the flying process in this video is much more supperior in all aspects to the original video of this thread.

Step 3: If the answer to Step 2 is "yes" then why can't it be that in the original levitation video the Shamman is an actor performing a trick like in the video of step 1? What would be different?
If the answer to step 2 is "no" then why not?

I'll proceed according to your answers.

Regards,
Yair
 
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insidespace said:
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So I am not wedded to brain waves per se, only if that definition is extended to waves of a type we cannot detect with our *current* limited equipment, which in 50 years will be thought of like we think of a stone wheel.
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Ya know when I first heard that? When I was 8. About fifty years ago.
 
insidespace said:
So, I still don't see how, *IF* and its a big IF, the Shaman is real, and is really levitating, how that *COULD* be explained
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You are in the wrong place.

Skepticism doesn’t concern itself on how supernatural events occur rather whether supernatural events occur.

So rather than speculating on the supernatural method he used you must first rule out all the natural methods. When all natural methods are ruled out then only the supernatural is left.

If this man can really levitate and arrange for film crews to film him I am sure that he can arrange to get himself to Florida where there is a cool £1 million waiting for him if he can repeat the levitation. Unless of course those present know he can (like me) only appear to levitate when viewed from certain angles under certain conditions.

Do you really believe he is levitating ?
 
insidespace said:
Levitation is an ancient art, though it has never yet been fully explained by modern science. Even now physicists try to understand how anti-gravity waves vs. particles interact. They say there is now matter that is not like ours (ref: dark matter). How it works we do not know, but we know very certain people after much study and concentration can do it.
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If that shaman could defeat the affects of gravity on his body the rapid spinning of the earth would give him the apppearance of flying off to the west at thousands of mile an hour.

I have heard that some people have got to wear something around their heads to prevent other people's brain waves from bothering them. Maybe that is the origin of "crowns" made of metal for kings. They prevented brain waves from others getting through. I have not seen this written but maybe it is a *theory* we could prove. Perhaps some of the people on this forum could research that theory, if in fact it is true. We would take a crown-ed person and compare them to an un-crown-ed prerson for how they could be influenced by other peoples brainwaves.
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I recommend you try aluminum foil topped by a metal spaghetti strainer and then reread what you have written.
 
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