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[catsmate]

I know airmen who were there and they have confirmed to me the events as well.

Right......

 

[Cosmic Yak]

The data depicts no such thing. That is what skeptics claimed because they didn't understand what the data depicted.

Not true, yet again.
I had a look, and, yes, it is exactly the same set of data that you posted twice before, and which was debunked twice before.
For the benefit of those who may have missed this, here are my original posts, from 2 years back:

You are simply reinforcing my point about not having learned anything from your previous ventures into this area.

Here is the link to the thread in which your Belgian story was debunked, including the analysis of the radar data showing it was, in itself internally inconsistent, and did, as I said, lead to the conclusion that the UFOs must have been flying underground at some point:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=11930720#post11930720

Rather than modify your ideas, I note that you abandoned this thread a day after members here began pointing out the problems with this data. I suggest you- and anyone else who is interested- have another look at this thread, rather than us having to go over the same ground again.

You did the same thing with your Minuteman story. I haven't forgotten, and here, again, is the link to the original shredding of your story:

skyeagle409:
Just to continue.
In this thread, the shredding of your Belgian UFO story continued. I have also linked to the post in which your Minuteman story was shot down (pun intended) by smartcooky, who pointed out the these missiles were not deployed in Vietnam.
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=11920213#post11920213

Once again, you abandoned the thread after it was shown that your sources did not say what you claimed they did, and that your stories were in no way proof of, or even evidence for, alien visitations to earth.
You return a few months later and try to bluff me into believing that what I remembered had not actually happened, which was an act of rather over-optimistic bravado. Did you really think that I wouldn't follow this up?

Plus ca change.....

 

[Cosmic Yak]

Project Blue Book is a joke.

Then why use it as evidence?

"Captain Edward J.Ruppelt, former chief of Project Blue Book, has confirmed the existence of four important documents that should be noted. In 1948, in a "Top Secret" estimate, the (Air Technical Intelligence Center, Wright-Patterson AFB) concluded that UFOs were interplanetary spaceships. In 1952, an Air Force Intelligence analysis of UFO maneuvers brought the same conclusion... interplanetary."

Furthermore, the 1948 report concluded no such thing:

The Technical Intelligence Division of the Air Material Command (AMC) at Wright Field (later Wright-Patterson Air Force Base) in Dayton, Ohio, assumed control of Project SIGN and began its work on 23 January 1948. Although at first fearful that the objects might be Soviet secret weapons, the Air Force soon concluded that UFOs were real but easily explained and not extraordinary. The Air Force report found that almost all sightings stemmed from one or more of three causes: mass hysteria and hallucination, hoax, or misinterpretation of known objects. Nevertheless, the report recommended continued military intelligence control over the investigation of all sightings and did not rule out the possibility of extraterrestrial phenomena.

If you wish to contest this, please link to the places in the reports that say what you claim they say. Otherwise, we have yet another failure on your part. I'm sorry to be so harsh, but you have been spamming the same rubbish for years, and have never once acknowledged any of your multiple errors. You simply run away, and return after a few months to start the same thing all over again as if nothing had happened.

 

[catsmate]

To be fair, UFOs are real. People see objects they can't immediately identify all the time. Lighthouses, for example.

Though lighthouses rarely fly...

 

[catsmate]

His affidavit was thirty years later in 2010.

At no point in his 1980 recording on the night does he say he saw a lighthouse.

Why do you lie so much?

And so very, very, badly.

 

[catsmate]

You have no case.

Repetitively repeating the same lie won't make it true

 

[Matthew Ellard]

KGB chief ordered 4m soldiers to keep watching the skies for UFOs
Nick Paton Walsh in Moscow
Sun 23 Mar 2003 18.42 EST


Yuri Andropov, the former Soviet leader and long-time head of the KGB, had an acute personal interest in UFOs

Yuri Andropov died in 1984.

The KGB ended in 1991


Can you get any of your BS stories right at all?

 

[Matthew Ellard]

According to the ABC-TV News Prime Time Live segment "KGB UFO Files," which was broadcast on October 6, 1994....

I clearly explained and supplied links and evidence that the KGB did not collect any evidence about military hardware or ICBMs. That was the GRU or Russian military intelligence.

You didn't know the difference between the KGB and GRU and yet you claimed to be in the US military at a ICBM depot....who are trained to know the difference as the GRU runs signals intelligence on monitoring USA missiles. .

You claimed the KGB issued a report that UFOs has sabotaged USA minuteman ICBMs based on an USA English language UFO TV show that didn't supply any evidence.

In other words, the story occurred as reported.

A USA English language UFO fan TV show is not a GRU report is it?

 

[Matthew Ellard]

Your lies to date, only concerning Rendlesham, are
1) Someone made casting of the three rabbit holes at the time, (A complete lie)
2) The three rabbit holes were radioactive (A complete lie)
3) No one could see the lighthouse in the forest (A complete lie)
4) The lighthouse was shielded towards the forest ( A lie and a forgery)
5) Radar picked up "bogies" on the night ( A complete lie)
6) The MoD hid evidence about the night ( A complete lie)
7) The police didn't identify the rabbit holes and light house on the night to colonel Halt (The police wrote a formal report)

Shall we have a formal moderated debate on my direct accusations against your lies? I do this with holocaust deniers on the Skeptic Society forum.

....or do you agree you were simply making up stories as you are a habitual liar?

(To skeptics. If Skyeagle409 agrees to a moderated debate I would first ask Jay Utah to moderate the debate and production of evidence as he is a senior, high level missile and rocket engineer and would quickly see through BS.)

 

[Matthew Ellard]

You did the same thing with your Minuteman story. I haven't forgotten, and here, again, is the link to the original shredding of your story:

Skyeagle claimed he was an aeroplane logistics enlisted person and he has no idea about minuteman missiles at all. He can't even give a date for when he claims the Minuteman missiles deployed from Hill AFB were sabotaged by UFO's.

On another forum he claimed to have telephoned UFO writer Robert Salas about the minuteman missiles being sabotaged at Hill AFB. I'm sure US military intelligence would like to know why an aircraft mechanic was telling off-base people that the minuteman ICBMs were sabotaged.

 

[Matthew Ellard]

I spoke directly to Captain Robert Salas by phone on the incident..

You claim you served in the 2952nd CLSS, Hill AFB, which repaired F4 Phantoms at this time, which had nothing to do with minuteman missiles.

Captain Salas left the US airforce in 1971.

You telephoned a person off base and told them them minutemen missiles were sabotaged and left a trail so you can be identified?

Where does Robert Salas mention this in his UFO books and who told you the minuteman missiles were sabotaged?

(Gee, I'm glad my father Group Captain Ellard didn't have leaky idiots like this under his command in Vietnam)

 

[skyeagle409]

Untrue.
Pathetic.

True!

 

[skyeagle409]

Well done.

False! And let's remember he also said the Navy videos were faked, but the Navy said they were authentic.

 

[skyeagle409]

Right......

True! One was my assistant on an Air Force contract at Travis AFB.

 

[steenkh]

To let you know, the U.S. government is currently releasing declassified UFO files and if you have any questions, make an inquiry under the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA), which will prove my points.

I am sure that you will bring the documents forward if they exist. And yet, all you have brought to light until now is that there were people in the military, particularly in the 40's and 50's, who believed in UFO's and interpreted their evidence to fit a UFO theory. It is always of the type "there was no equipment failure - therefore aliens".

Furthermore, I don't fake evidence as you wrongly stated.

But when Matthew Ellard shows that you have in fact faked evidence, you just claim "no", and changes the subject.

 

[steenkh]

True! One was my assistant on an Air Force contract at Travis AFB.

So he might exist, but why would that make him a credible witness in regard to UFOs?

 

[skyeagle409]

Not true, yet again.
I had a look, and, yes, it is exactly the same set of data that you posted twice before, and which was debunked twice before.
For the benefit of those who may have missed this, here are my original posts, from 2 years back:

Apparently, you are not a pilot. Now, check this out. I am flying 1000 feet above ground-level but at an altitude of 6500 feet MSL. What is the difference between AGL and MSL? Now, hear this:

Since the radar was in STT mode, as evident in the camera footage, and there is a difference between MSL and AGL, what was the elevation of the area of interest? It would be obvious the UFO did not contact the ground. When you see for example altitude 5000, this means between 4500 and 5500, so 0000 means between 0 and 500. 0 is sea level; mean ground altitude in this area is about 200 feet (therefore 0000 means in fact between 200 and 500).

Ever wondered why it is important to update your altimeter from time to time on a long cross-country flight below FL 180 (18,000 feet)? Your altimeter can depict an inaccurate altitude of your aircraft. Above FL 180, which is Class A airspace (FL 180 - FL 600) the altimeter is set to 29.92. Now that you know the rest of the story you wrongly thought was debunked, there is an old saying:

"Those who think they know it all, are annoying to those of us who do."

 

[skyeagle409]

Yuri Andropov died in 1984.

The KGB ended in 1991


Can you get any of your BS stories right at all?

That was the date of the report, but you missed the rest of the picture, which is:

Through Andropov's personal interest, in 1978 two committees were established to investigate UFOs, one military and one civilian. Andropov ordered four million Soviet soldiers to file detailed reports of incidents.

 

[Cosmic Yak]

Apparently, you are not a pilot. Now, check this out. I am flying 1000 feet above ground-level but at an altitude of 6500 feet MSL. What is the difference between AGL and MSL? Now, hear this:

Since the radar was in STT mode, as evident in the camera footage, and there is a difference between MSL and AGL, what was the elevation of the area of interest? It would be obvious the UFO did not contact the ground. When you see for example altitude 5000, this means between 4500 and 5500, so 0000 means between 0 and 500. 0 is sea level; mean ground altitude in this area is about 200 feet (therefore 0000 means in fact between 200 and 500).

Ever wondered why it is important to update your altimeter from time to time on a long cross-country flight below FL 180 (18,000 feet)? Your altimeter can depict an inaccurate altitude of your aircraft. Above FL 180, which is Class A airspace (FL 180 - FL 600) the altimeter is set to 29.92. Now that you know the rest of the story you wrongly thought was debunked, there is an old saying:

"Those who think they know it all, are annoying to those of us who do."

You know I'm not a pilot. We've had this conversation before. Do try to keep up.
Here is the link showing the UFO was either on the ground or underground. Again, you know this: we've had this conversation before.


From the thread I linked to, which you apparently wish to forget:

Yes, that was worth a look. It certainly hadn't occurred to me, but the table of radar data from the F-16 is anomalous not only because it describes movement which no plane can perform, it's anomalous because it's internally inconsistent with itself.

It describes a climb of 4000 feet in 3 seconds, by an object which is not (at that time) exceeding 570 knots. But to make that climb the vertical component of velocity alone is 790 knots.

The displayed numbers contradict each other and cannot be correct.

 

[skyeagle409]

BS. Stop lying. You claimed you telephoned Robert Salas, the UFO fan at the time.

Which I did.

In reality, you worked on aircraft and did not work on ICBMs.

I was part of a special team that modified and repaired battle damaged aircraft overseas, and assisted civilians (MASDC) at Davis-Monthan AFB, AZ. in the aircraft boneyard in 1970. At Hill AFB, we were not assigned aircraft and our work was done elsewhere at other bases. Some members of my squadron, (2952 CLSS) were what we called, "Bird Watchers" Their duty was to monitor and escort Minuteman missiles to and from Hill AFB on a special train and that was their only duty while assigned at Hill. The Minuteman missile holding silo was next to our hangar, which is where we sat for 8 hours a day until we got a call to prepare for TDY.

We did not have any You can't name one person, including Robert Salas, or even nominate a UFO fan site, who can confirm Minuteman ICBMs from your depot were sabotaged by UFOs because it never happened. You simply made a story up to get attention.

Of course I can remember some of my compatriots and one lives in the Sacramento area and we still stay in touch, but I am not at liberty to release any names without their permission, so there you have it. And yes, during the course of my research, I did call Capt. Salas on the phone since he was at the location underground where the UFO was reported when his missiles were disabled.

Not knowing the rest of the story about me is not a good idea for you.